Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Cant believe folk are still trying to link rare outlying medical conditions to the covid jabs being harmful.
I can believe them because during 20/21 when somebody fell 20 floors the "authorities" tested and linked their death to covid19. Even dying in a motor-bike accident within 30 days of a "positive test" meant you were listed as a "covid death"- so why not use the same criteria when the shoe is on the other foot?
 
Since December 2020 there have been two new things that have come into contact with the majority of the human population:

1. COVID 19

2. COVID Vaccines

There is an abnormal increase/excess in deaths.

There is proof that MRNA vaccines can cause heart problems

There is proof the AZ vaccine can cause severe blood clotting.

A % of the excess deaths is already accounted for with COVID.

So for the other unaccounted % of excess deaths its fair to look at the vaccines when there are many medical journals and reports oot there showing numerous dangerous conditions that can be brought on by the vaccine in rare cases particularly that can affect the heart.

We dont have the benefit of longitudinal studies on these things they are ultimately emergency approved medicine thats been in mass circulation for approx 18 months so to suggest one way or another that what any of us are claiming is true or false with certainty is folly.
This is the case for every drug, vaccine, medicine. They have side effects which are reported on.

The thing is the instances of these things happening are quite low, which shouldn't stop people reporting on the possible side effects, but it also needs to be framed in the context of 1-10 cases of a severe side effect against 10m vaccination doses.
 
This is the case for every drug, vaccine, medicine. They have side effects which are reported on.

The thing is the instances of these things happening are quite low, which shouldn't stop people reporting on the possible side effects, but it also needs to be framed in the context of 1-10 cases of a severe side effect against 10m vaccination doses.
I’d like to know quite how many of the “vaccines are dangerous“ guys are also “I want you to go on the pill so I don’t have to wear condoms” guys too.

I suspect that ven diagram, especially if it included “knows/cares about rates of thrombosis in oral contraceptives” could be quite interesting.
 
You're correct that almost all anti-vax arguments are nonsense. You are not correct about the political character of the scientific process, and the resulting problems that are introduced. It's the one argument the political right makes that has validity about the whole thing. They're just bad at making it, for many of the reasons that Davey outlined in his reply. A lot of the actors on their side of the fence have their hands out to those with agendas lacking empirical support, and produce poor outputs as a consequence. It doesn't follow that the general criticism is invalid.

As far as Paige Harden goes, the same types of criticisms have been levelled at Piketty, and that's the most influential work of the last decade in economics. Those criticisms are business as usual in the social sciences. Some of them are quite valid. Others are obviously self-defense on the part of those whose own prestige and funding would be threatened by general acceptance of his/her claims.

I can't think of a highly influential work in social science without empirical problems, and clarifying those complaints is how a large fraction of social science research gets funding. By taking Ford's money to do product research and tacking on their own political attitude questions, Converse et al ended up providing the rationale for the next generation (if not two) of political opinion research, as people tried to prove them wrong on specific points with greater and lesser degrees of success.

In the interest of keeping this on COVID related issues, I'll keep it brief. Largely we can agree to disagree. Science can certainly be politicized, but overall, I think it is less than you claim. That said, I do think fields like Economics and Political Science are more politicized than others--remember the repeated attempts by house Republicans to kill National Science Foundation funding for PoliSci and other social sciences?...that's about as political as it gets! I don't think, though, that COVID funding is highly political--a good proposal is likely to get funded, a quackery proposal is not.

I don't believe the right can rightly claim the turf that science is politicized as this whole concept emanated from far-left academics in the 80s, with the post-Modernists (e.g., Foucault),

Speaking personally, so an n = 1, I can say that in my field what drives funding is good proposals and good science, not the researcher's political views nor the topic that they propose to study. And I can say this confidently based on numerous experiences serving as Associate Editor for journals and serving on tons of NSF review panels. But again, just my personal experience.
 
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