Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tipp blue]

yeah that's true.

Like I said, I'm not saying it is COVID. But the spike in cases on the pitch this season is definitely there to see. Denying that would be ridiculous.

So they need to find out why that is.

100%

 

[spectateur]

yeah that's true.

Like I said, I'm not saying it is COVID. But the spike in cases on the pitch this season is definitely there to see. Denying that would be ridiculous.

So they need to find out why that is.

Not just in football either.
It is a known factor, that an increasing number of athletes are using so called "diet suppliments" not yet classified as peds. Particulary the type known as "ketones".
Just saying.

 

[tsubaki]

I mean I've been covering footy and sport for the last 7 years mate and I can count on one hand the number of times there's been an incident at a ground across that. We had to cover it. I know there were incidents but they didn't seem to happen as much as they have done in recent months - on and off the pitch.

It could be for any reason, as I said in my post. It's just that given everything that's happened, coincidence can feed into conspiracy theories.

As for on the pitch, in Euro footy's big leagues there's already been Aguero, Traore (Sheriff, in the CL), Lindelof, Zielinski, the lad at Wigan (Wyke, I think), albeit in training, Fleck at Sheff Utd and then I remember covering a line about a lad in Norway's league (may have been second tier) who died for a few minutes on the pitch but was saved. That's off the top of my head - they've all happened this season.

So it's definitely worth a study into why that is happening which is most likely going on, I'm sure. If it's COVID, if it's the vaccines, if it's a mix of the two or if it's something else entirely needs to be known. When elite athletes are clutching at their chests mid-game, it's worrying. I bet we couldn't cobble together as many as five incidents from across the previous 3-4 years of heart issues for players on field.

This is a bit of a daft argument though - what studies exist show that this happens on a sadly regular basis (one over five years 1977-1982 at Brighton saw 7 uses of a defib), so there isn't really any evidence to say that it is happening more often now as opposed to it being more likely to be reported now.

As for the footballers, Aguero was already diagnosed with a heart concern prior to this; Lindelof, Traore and Zielinski we don't know what happened (or what their medical history). We've also seen numerous footballers dying suddenly or collapsing in the years prior to COVID - Dani Jarque, Muamba, O'Donnell, Tiote, Puerta, Foe, Nouri. FIFA found that more than 600 players had suffered coronary episodes whilst playing just in a four year period between 2016-2020.

What sparks conspiracy theories is people who "are just asking questions" based on criteria they've selected themselves.

 

[mill]

yeah that's true.

Like I said, I'm not saying it is COVID. But the spike in cases on the pitch this season is definitely there to see. Denying that would be ridiculous.

So they need to find out why that is.

I think if anything it’s a reflection of just how high intensity the game is now and just how close to the edge players are pushed.

Think rugby and how bad the outcomes will be there given how frantic it is now (and how massive players are nowadays).

 

[BlueToff]

I think if anything it’s a reflection of just how high intensity the game is now and just how close to the edge players are pushed.

Think rugby and how bad the outcomes will be there given how frantic it is now (and how massive players are nowadays).

That'd stand up if we'd had loads last season when it was more congested but we didn't.

 

[mill]

That'd stand up if we'd had loads last season when it was more congested but we didn't.

I don’t think it’s as much the number of games as opposed to the intensity of them tbh.

 

[BlueToff]

I don’t think it’s as much the number of games as opposed to the intensity of them tbh.

Again, I'd buy that argument but it's been very intense in previous seasons mate.

The young Wigan lad collapsing in training?

Lindelof, playing in the least demanding (physically) outfield area of the pitch?

Again, I'm not saying it's COVID or the vaccine (and if it's either of those things, I'd say it's more likely to be lingering impacts of the virus which we know can cause chest inflammation), but there's definitely been a spike in on-pitch cases.

@tsubaki I know you've posted mate but I'm too mad to stay in here for now. Need to go and scream in the Benitez thread for a bit so I'll respond later

 

[dholliday]

another Ivermectin one for the sceptics:

I am a professional with years of training in medicinal products. Ivermectin at doses needed to be antiviral is toxic to humans.

Continue to promote dangerous "remedies" and I will ban you from this thread.

Just a quick one to illustrate what we're up against here.

I was threatened with a ban via the above audacious appeal-to-authority, despite my linking authoritative sources.

I've just seen the universally-respected medical professional Dr John Campbell debunk the misinformation the likes of @RAFUH are spreading.

His 27-minute video debunking the anti-ivermectin narrative is worth watching in full, but here's a direct link to the bit where he talks of a collection of 64 peer-reviewed studies which in total show ivermectin improves Covid-symptoms by an average of 75% (in non-toxic doses), and has no negative effects.

He then muses why Merck haven't rolled out this pill for Covid treatment by pointing out that it's out-of-patent and thus can't make any money.




There are 1.1m views, and over 18,000 comments. People are wising up to the propaganda.

In the comments two perceptive souls muse the following:

"As someone in the medical field myself, it's truly baffling how journalists [and some medical professionals] these days speak with such certainty about things they know so little about."

"The entire issue around these drugs appears to be how they effect the emergency authorization status of the vaccines."



I've been called a lot of shitty things in this thread, and maybe now the ban will come. But for such an important, potentially life-saving, subject, we all need to be more open to what's going on.

Because if you're just shutting down everything that may contradict the vaccine-is-the-only-way narrative: then you're acting unscientifically, and more importantly you're contributing to the people having less informed consent than they should.

Ivermectin's development won the Noble Prize for Medicine as recent as 2015. One of its original developers is co-author of one of the studies Dr Campbell has reviewed above.

Lest we forget, a segment out of the Hippocratic Oath: "I will use those treatments which will benefit my patients according to my greatest ability and judgment, and I will do no harm or injustice to them."

Despite the anti-ivermectin narrative, many worldwide are using it to fight Covid symptoms...there have been next to no reports of deathly overdoses of the human-prescribed drug. But by making it effectively unavailable via the narrative, folk have been turning to the ivermectin-product found in horse-treatments, which is easier to harmfully overdose with if not careful.

While Dr Campbell does not think the studies show ivermectin should replace the vaccines, he does agree that it appears a viable treatment for Covid symptoms.


What do yous think?

 

[dholliday]

Again, I'd buy that argument but it's been very intense in previous seasons mate.

The young Wigan lad collapsing in training?

Lindelof, playing in the least demanding (physically) outfield area of the pitch?

Again, I'm not saying it's COVID or the vaccine (and if it's either of those things, I'd say it's more likely to be lingering impacts of the virus which we know can cause chest inflammation), but there's definitely been a spike in on-pitch cases.

There's something dodgy going on...i pointed it out here, check out how they cut off Trevor Sinclair:

9)
What's going on with all these footballers & sportlers clasping their chests being unable to play, even dying? 2020 wasn't like this:



Why can't we talk about it?

 

[BlueToff]

There's something dodgy going on...i pointed it out here, check out how they cut off Trevor Sinclair:

censorship doesn't help

 

[coollino]

Oh god, back to the Rafael thread then

 

[RAFUH]

Just a quick one to illustrate what we're up against here.

I was threatened with a ban via the above audacious appeal-to-authority, despite my linking authoritative sources.

I've just seen the universally-respected medical professional Dr John Campbell debunk the misinformation the likes of @RAFUH are spreading.

His 27-minute video debunking the anti-ivermectin narrative is worth watching in full, but here's a direct link to the bit where he talks of a collection of 64 peer-reviewed studies which in total show ivermectin improves Covid-symptoms by an average of 75% (in non-toxic doses), and has no negative effects.

He then muses why Merck haven't rolled out this pill for Covid treatment by pointing out that it's out-of-patent and thus can't make any money.




There are 1.1m views, and over 18,000 comments. People are wising up to the propaganda.

In the comments two perceptive souls muse the following:

"As someone in the medical field myself, it's truly baffling how journalists [and some medical professionals] these days speak with such certainty about things they know so little about."

"The entire issue around these drugs appears to be how they effect the emergency authorization status of the vaccines."



I've been called a lot of shitty things in this thread, and maybe now the ban will come. But for such an important, potentially life-saving, subject, we all need to be more open to what's going on.

Because if you're just shutting down everything that may contradict the vaccine-is-the-only-way narrative: then you're acting unscientifically, and more importantly you're contributing to the people having less informed consent than they should.

Ivermectin's development won the Noble Prize for Medicine as recent as 2015. One of its original developers is co-author of one of the studies Dr Campbell has reviewed above.

Lest we forget, a segment out of the Hippocratic Oath: "I will use those treatments which will benefit my patients according to my greatest ability and judgment, and I will do no harm or injustice to them."

Despite the anti-ivermectin narrative, many worldwide are using it to fight Covid symptoms...there have been next to no reports of deathly overdoses of the human-prescribed drug. But by making it effectively unavailable via the narrative, folk have been turning to the ivermectin-product found in horse-treatments, which is easier to harmfully overdose with if not careful.

While Dr Campbell does not think the studies show ivermectin should replace the vaccines, he does agree that it appears a viable treatment for Covid symptoms.


What do yous think?

I think your ivermectin “expert” has a PhD in nursing education, not virology, pharmacology, pharmacy, medicine, or any other relevant field.
I would certainly be interested to hear his views on US vs UK curriculums in nursing programs especially in regards to balancing didactic and experiential learning.

 

[dholliday]

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I think your ivermectin “expert” has a PhD in nursing education, not virology, pharmacology, pharmacy, medicine, or any other relevant field.
I would certainly be interested to hear his views on US vs UK curriculums in nursing programs especially in regards to balancing didactic and experiential learning.

Thanks for the calm reply.

I appreciate the possibility to discuss things openly. The "expert" in quotations was reviewing 64 peer-reviewed studies from professional medicine researchers, one of whom won the Noble Prize for developing ivermectin, and many of whom are experts in virology etc.

As to the bolded bit, you can write him on that. He's been receptive to interesting queries from his listeners.

 

[Brennan]

“Universally respected medical professional”

lol Jesus wept

 

[tsubaki]

I can't wait to be told its February later this evening.