Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[dholliday]

The FDA has explicitly warned against Ivermectin and its use for COVID

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

Using the Drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.

www.fda.gov

I have no knowledge of its use in Japan but if this would suggest that report is inaccurate.

Did Japan Approve Ivermectin For Use Against COVID-19? | Tech ARP

Did Japan approve ivermectin for use against COVID-19? Take a look at the new viral claim, and find out what the FACTS really are!

www.techarp.com

the unfortunate ivermectin misuse/overdoses stem from the human-medicine being made artificially unavailable and folk resorting to the horse-paste version (which is vastly more concentrated, easy to overdose and has properties which haven't been tested on humans, but is easy to find online without extra papers).

Here's a good deep discussion (fortunately not yet removed):





The 'fact-check' you link does what most fact-checkers do: takes the extreme strawman angle and debunks that. But when you actually read the fact-check article, it says:

"Dr. Haruo Ozaki suggested that doctors be allowed to prescribe ivermectin and dexamethasone “off-label”: I would like the government to consider treatment at the level of the family doctor. It is necessary to thoroughly study the clinical trials, but it seems that we are at the stage where it is okay to have the patient give an informed consent, and get permission to use it“.

So the fact-check of the links I posted have actually passed the check, according to your own link.

The links I posted didn't say "Japan approves ivermectin", they state merely what this one Doctor is saying, plus the Nature.com article from 2017 which appears to show ivermectin, in human-tolerant quantities, can help against viral invasion (despite being an anti-parasitic drug).

That Emily Porter quote you linked: Where is she getting this 150x figure from? The studies reported on by Nature.com make no such conclusion.

 

[verreauxi]

Fair play to you lad. Very articulate and researched. While all these immature sheep snigger, pass snark comments. Trying to be in the clique.

But may I say. You have pwned every last one of them.

Nice post Dea, I think the score is like 100000 to zero.

 

[COYBL25]

seen as no one else has attempted to counter any of my other points i'm gonna assume my arguments stand.

No more words for now, instead here's some interesting links, in no particular order, which broadly support - or at least render understandeable - the view of any person who is taking a wait-n-see approach with the whole thing: so please think twice before demonising folk who choose to not yet get vaccinated...society is divided enough...

Disclaimer: most of these links are not from 'right-wing' or 'alternative' sources. I'm not anti-vax. There is a dangerous deadly virus out there and some places are having major issues with it. Nevertheless, we need perspective and a respect for different views.


Pfizer-affiliates donate almost 4 times more to Biden than Trump during 2020

Covid claims 100 lives a day on average across the UK, statistics show

Scientists are comparing the profiles of those who are dying with previous waves – here’s what they know

www.theguardian.com

choice quote:
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Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine Frequently Asked Questions

Frequently asked questions on the emergency use authorization of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine

www.fda.gov

quote:
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WHO quote:
--- The World Health Organization director-general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, has again said that the data on the benefits and safety of a Covid-19 vaccine booster shot is inconclusive: --- "its not conclusive, in terms of its benefits; and also, we don’t know, if its safe."

Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics

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COVID vaccine protection wanes within six months - UK researchers

Protection against COVID-19 offered by two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech and the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines begins to fade within six months, underscoring the need for booster shots, according to researchers in Britain.

www.reuters.com

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@LinekersLegs


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bizarre mixed-messaging from the identity-politics-obsessed liberal media:
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Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

quote:
--- The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.---


...and finally...right-wing bad!

Premier League 'irresponsible' by not asking fans for Covid jab status

EXCLUSIVE: Nervtag scientist Professor Ravindra Gupta said the Premier League's reluctance to force clubs to conduct spot checks 'shows a contempt for the health of football fans'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

top 3 reader comments (a.k.a. public sentiment):
"if people want to avoid Covid, stay in avoid all contact with anyone. On the other hand, If you want to enjoy your life and watch the football, then why should the Premiership stop people doing so."

"You know whats irresponsible? Shutting doctors surgeries and hospital services thus creating the longest patient waiting list in NHS history. Using the words 'covid', 'government' and 'expert' makes any further statement worthless."

"Has this expert I've never heard of been keeping up on current events. The experimental treatments don't stop you getting it or passing it on so what is the point of showing a certificate to get into the football or anywhere else for that matter. Also, fans don't give a monkeys."


~ fini ~

Read it and bow down to the multi quote king @Zatara

 

[dholliday]

Here's one of the few proper studies available:

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ascpt.onlinelibrary.wiley.com

It does come to the conclusion that above-recommended doses are required, and thus doesn't recommend it. But it posits this to be around 20x (not 150x) for weekly treatment. More than weekly treatment isn't great as it stays in the body for a while (doesn't come out with your wee) so overdose is more of a risk. Tho' with daily treatment only 5x the recommended dose would be required (theoritically).

The paper recommends further study to ascertain safe dosages, alternative intake methods like inhalation, and clear communication to the public to prevent off-label use.

This 'clear communication' has been missing as every little aspect of the pandemic, and the news generally, is intensely politicised.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

What happened to hydroxychloroquine and favipiravir btw? unfortunately I happened to take some from the latter as my GP recommended it (was coughig a lot at the time) but threw up afterwards, so just went with antibiotics and rest. And it has disappeared. Was a tough couple of weeks though.

 

[Death]

Nice post Dea, I think the score is like 100000 to zero.

I hear they are doing great things with lights. Where the lights go in. I like nuclear. The power the devestation.

 

[verreauxi]

I hear they are doing great things with lights. Where the lights go in. I like nuclear. The power the devestation.

Keep at the ales sir, it's Friday after all.

 

[dholliday]

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What happened to hydroxychloroquine and favipiravir btw?

haven't heard of favipiravir before. remdesivir is another one...Trump & Giuliani took both hydroxychloroquine & remdesivir to aid swift recovery, but you're right we don't hear much about them anymore.

Too expensive?

Ivermectin at least is a very cheap drug. Merck (the pharma giant) are developing an ivermectin-alike pill, which will naturally be expensive:

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

This has got Wall Street Journal, among others, wondering:

Opinion | Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug?

Ivermectin is a promising Covid treatment and prophylaxis, but the agency is denigrating it.

www.wsj.com

 

[Death]

Keep at the ales sir, it's Friday after all.

Cheers. verreauxi -duck rape complicitor.

 

[Death]

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haven't heard of favipiravir before. remdesivir is another one...Trump & Giuliani took both hydroxychloroquine & remdesivir to aid swift recovery, but you're right we don't hear much about them anymore.

Too expensive?

Ivermectin at least is a very cheap drug. Merck (the pharma giant) are developing an ivermectin-alike pill, which will naturally be expensive:

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

This has got Wall Street Journal, among others, wondering:

Opinion | Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug?

Ivermectin is a promising Covid treatment and prophylaxis, but the agency is denigrating it.

www.wsj.com

They are in the bomb shelter cowering from you. Cause you are dropping truth bombs.

 

[dholliday]

They are in the bomb shelter cowering from you. Cause you are dropping truth bombs.

meh...i just took massive umbrage at the demonising of the unvaccinated.

if just one poster here now feels a little less inclined to do so then there be hope x

 

[Death]

meh...i just took massive umbrage at the demonising of the unvaccinated.

if just one poster here now feels a little less inclined to do so then there be hope x

 

[RAFUH]

another Ivermectin one for the sceptics:

Bench research does not equal clinical trials in humans.

I am not a skeptic. I am a professional with years of training in medicinal products.
Ivermectin at doses needed to be antiviral is toxic to humans.

Continue to promote dangerous "remedies" and I will ban you from this thread.

 

[Death]

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haven't heard of favipiravir before. remdesivir is another one...Trump & Giuliani took both hydroxychloroquine & remdesivir to aid swift recovery, but you're right we don't hear much about them anymore.

Too expensive?

Ivermectin at least is a very cheap drug. Merck (the pharma giant) are developing an ivermectin-alike pill, which will naturally be expensive:

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

This has got Wall Street Journal, among others, wondering:

Opinion | Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug?

Ivermectin is a promising Covid treatment and prophylaxis, but the agency is denigrating it.

www.wsj.com

Anymore remedies you've heard about? Or is that all they have so far? Can you post any more?

 

[verreauxi]

They are in the bomb shelter cowering from you. Cause you are dropping truth bombs.

I've locked myself in that thread for fear of getting obfuscated to death.