Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Same although in this case the “His pregnant wife“ and “father of three” pack a hell of a punch.

Such misery and loss that likely could have been avoided.

Absolutely. There he lies at deaths door, his wife passing the begging bowl around for help with his medical bills whilst the scum at Fox (and other networks) protect themselves with vaccines and masks, tout quack remedies, peddle lies and attack socialized medicine.
 
Hospital figures - 103 deaths were announced today, down 8 on yesterday and up 7 on last Friday. 80 deaths were in English hospitals, down 20 on yesterday and up 4 on last week. The 7 day rolling average rises to 93.71

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 100 deaths were announced today, down 40 on yesterday and down 14 on last Friday. The 7 day rolling average falls to an even 108

For the 60 day cut off, 120 deaths were announced today, down 44 on yesterday and down 6 on last Friday. The 7 day rolling average falls to an even 126
 
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this made me roar lol


I’ve promised myself I wouldn’t engage with this but your only real point is doing my head in as it’s blinkered and ignores a really important component of the drivers of the recent rise in cases.

The study you are talking about said that vaccinated people *can* have similar viral loads as unvaccinated people. So it is possible that vaccinated people can be as infectious as vaccinated people. But that ignores one important point. That unvaccinated people are more likely to get this and therefore increase the number of infected people and so increase the likelihood of further infections.

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Using the chart you posted.

The vaccinated cohort represents 32% of infections overall. That means that for the vaccinated cohort to be as responsible for further spread of the virus as the unvaccinated cohort (ie for the vaccinated cohort to be responsible for 50% of subsequent cases overall), vaccinated people would need to be at least 1.5 times more infectious than unvaccinated people.

Unvaccinated people are overwhelmingly responsible for the continued spread of this. That’s what the numbers you shared say.

You can hide behind viral loads all you like but it’s one factor. Ultimately, the more people have it, the more easily this can be spread. And vaccinated people are much less likely to get it as the numbers in the chart show.
i don't agree with your logic but i respect your effort. Here's some more external reading:

 
seen as no one else has attempted to counter any of my other points i'm gonna assume my arguments stand.

No more words for now, instead here's some interesting links, in no particular order, which broadly support - or at least render understandeable - the view of any person who is taking a wait-n-see approach with the whole thing: so please think twice before demonising folk who choose to not yet get vaccinated...society is divided enough...

Disclaimer: most of these links are not from 'right-wing' or 'alternative' sources. I'm not anti-vax. There is a dangerous deadly virus out there and some places are having major issues with it. Nevertheless, we need perspective and a respect for different views.


Pfizer-affiliates donate almost 4 times more to Biden than Trump during 2020



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WHO quote:
--- The World Health Organization director-general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, has again said that the data on the benefits and safety of a Covid-19 vaccine booster shot is inconclusive: --- "its not conclusive, in terms of its benefits; and also, we don’t know, if its safe."



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@LinekersLegs


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bizarre mixed-messaging from the identity-politics-obsessed liberal media:
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quote:
--- The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.---


...and finally...right-wing bad!


top 3 reader comments (a.k.a. public sentiment):
"if people want to avoid Covid, stay in avoid all contact with anyone. On the other hand, If you want to enjoy your life and watch the football, then why should the Premiership stop people doing so."

"You know whats irresponsible? Shutting doctors surgeries and hospital services thus creating the longest patient waiting list in NHS history. Using the words 'covid', 'government' and 'expert' makes any further statement worthless."

"Has this expert I've never heard of been keeping up on current events. The experimental treatments don't stop you getting it or passing it on so what is the point of showing a certificate to get into the football or anywhere else for that matter. Also, fans don't give a monkeys."



~ fini ~
 
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The FDA has explicitly warned against Ivermectin and its use for COVID

I have no knowledge of its use in Japan but if this would suggest that report is inaccurate.



 
seen as no one else has attempted to counter any of my other points i'm gonna assume my arguments stand.

No more words for now, instead here's some interesting links, in no particular order, which broadly support - or at least render understandeable - the view of any person who is taking a wait-n-see approach with the whole thing: so please think twice before demonising folk who choose to not yet get vaccinated...society is divided enough...

Disclaimer: most of these links are not from 'right-wing' or 'alternative' sources. I'm not anti-vax. There is a dangerous deadly virus out there and some places are having major issues with it. Nevertheless, we need perspective and a respect for different views.


Pfizer-affiliates donate almost 4 times more to Biden than Trump during 2020



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quote:
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WHO quote:
--- The World Health Organization director-general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, has again said that the data on the benefits and safety of a Covid-19 vaccine booster shot is inconclusive: --- "its not conclusive, in terms of its benefits; and also, we don’t know, if its safe."



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@LinekersLegs


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bizarre mixed-messaging from the identity-politics-obsessed liberal media:
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quote:
--- The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.---


...and finally...right-wing bad!


top 3 reader comments (a.k.a. public sentiment):
"if people want to avoid Covid, stay in avoid all contact with anyone. On the other hand, If you want to enjoy your life and watch the football, then why should the Premiership stop people doing so."

"You know whats irresponsible? Shutting doctors surgeries and hospital services thus creating the longest patient waiting list in NHS history. Using the words 'covid', 'government' and 'expert' makes any further statement worthless."

"Has this expert I've never heard of been keeping up on current events. The experimental treatments don't stop you getting it or passing it on so what is the point of showing a certificate to get into the football or anywhere else for that matter. Also, fans don't give a monkeys."



~ fini ~

I'm no expert, but this isn't a systematic review of the evidence.
 
seen as no one else has attempted to counter any of my other points i'm gonna assume my arguments stand.

No more words for now, instead here's some interesting links, in no particular order, which broadly support - or at least render understandeable - the view of any person who is taking a wait-n-see approach with the whole thing: so please think twice before demonising folk who choose to not yet get vaccinated...society is divided enough...

Disclaimer: most of these links are not from 'right-wing' or 'alternative' sources. I'm not anti-vax. There is a dangerous deadly virus out there and some places are having major issues with it. Nevertheless, we need perspective and a respect for different views.


Pfizer-affiliates donate almost 4 times more to Biden than Trump during 2020



choice quote:
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quote:
View attachment 137191


WHO quote:
--- The World Health Organization director-general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, has again said that the data on the benefits and safety of a Covid-19 vaccine booster shot is inconclusive: --- "its not conclusive, in terms of its benefits; and also, we don’t know, if its safe."



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@LinekersLegs


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bizarre mixed-messaging from the identity-politics-obsessed liberal media:
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quote:
--- The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.---


...and finally...right-wing bad!


top 3 reader comments (a.k.a. public sentiment):
"if people want to avoid Covid, stay in avoid all contact with anyone. On the other hand, If you want to enjoy your life and watch the football, then why should the Premiership stop people doing so."

"You know whats irresponsible? Shutting doctors surgeries and hospital services thus creating the longest patient waiting list in NHS history. Using the words 'covid', 'government' and 'expert' makes any further statement worthless."

"Has this expert I've never heard of been keeping up on current events. The experimental treatments don't stop you getting it or passing it on so what is the point of showing a certificate to get into the football or anywhere else for that matter. Also, fans don't give a monkeys."



~ fini ~

Fair play to you lad. Very articulate and researched. While all these immature sheep snigger, pass snark comments. Trying to be in the clique.

But may I say. You have pwned every last one of them.
 
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