Have to admit, my conscience is struggling at times to maintain sympathy and empathy
Same although in this case the “His pregnant wife“ and “father of three” pack a hell of a punch.Have to admit, my conscience is struggling at times to maintain sympathy and empathy
Same although in this case the “His pregnant wife“ and “father of three” pack a hell of a punch.
Such misery and loss that likely could have been avoided.
i deleted it, formatting mess...don't wanna make the page load for ages lolHoly moly, the Doc is back.
i don't agree with your logic but i respect your effort. Here's some more external reading:I’ve promised myself I wouldn’t engage with this but your only real point is doing my head in as it’s blinkered and ignores a really important component of the drivers of the recent rise in cases.
The study you are talking about said that vaccinated people *can* have similar viral loads as unvaccinated people. So it is possible that vaccinated people can be as infectious as vaccinated people. But that ignores one important point. That unvaccinated people are more likely to get this and therefore increase the number of infected people and so increase the likelihood of further infections.
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Using the chart you posted.
The vaccinated cohort represents 32% of infections overall. That means that for the vaccinated cohort to be as responsible for further spread of the virus as the unvaccinated cohort (ie for the vaccinated cohort to be responsible for 50% of subsequent cases overall), vaccinated people would need to be at least 1.5 times more infectious than unvaccinated people.
Unvaccinated people are overwhelmingly responsible for the continued spread of this. That’s what the numbers you shared say.
You can hide behind viral loads all you like but it’s one factor. Ultimately, the more people have it, the more easily this can be spread. And vaccinated people are much less likely to get it as the numbers in the chart show.






seen as no one else has attempted to counter any of my other points i'm gonna assume my arguments stand.
No more words for now, instead here's some interesting links, in no particular order, which broadly support - or at least render understandeable - the view of any person who is taking a wait-n-see approach with the whole thing: so please think twice before demonising folk who choose to not yet get vaccinated...society is divided enough...
Disclaimer: most of these links are not from 'right-wing' or 'alternative' sources. I'm not anti-vax. There is a dangerous deadly virus out there and some places are having major issues with it. Nevertheless, we need perspective and a respect for different views.
Pfizer-affiliates donate almost 4 times more to Biden than Trump during 2020
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Covid claims 100 lives a day on average across the UK, statistics show
Scientists are comparing the profiles of those who are dying with previous waves – here’s what they knowwww.theguardian.com
choice quote:
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Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine Frequently Asked Questions
Frequently asked questions on the emergency use authorization of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccinewww.fda.gov
quote:
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WHO quote:
--- The World Health Organization director-general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, has again said that the data on the benefits and safety of a Covid-19 vaccine booster shot is inconclusive: --- "its not conclusive, in terms of its benefits; and also, we don’t know, if its safe."
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COVID vaccine protection wanes within six months - UK researchers
Protection against COVID-19 offered by two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech and the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines begins to fade within six months, underscoring the need for booster shots, according to researchers in Britain.www.reuters.com
@LinekersLegs
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bizarre mixed-messaging from the identity-politics-obsessed liberal media:
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quote:Science | AAAS
www.sciencemag.org
--- The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.---
...and finally...right-wing bad!
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Premier League 'irresponsible' by not asking fans for Covid jab status
EXCLUSIVE: Nervtag scientist Professor Ravindra Gupta said the Premier League's reluctance to force clubs to conduct spot checks 'shows a contempt for the health of football fans'.www.dailymail.co.uk
top 3 reader comments (a.k.a. public sentiment):
"if people want to avoid Covid, stay in avoid all contact with anyone. On the other hand, If you want to enjoy your life and watch the football, then why should the Premiership stop people doing so."
"You know whats irresponsible? Shutting doctors surgeries and hospital services thus creating the longest patient waiting list in NHS history. Using the words 'covid', 'government' and 'expert' makes any further statement worthless."
"Has this expert I've never heard of been keeping up on current events. The experimental treatments don't stop you getting it or passing it on so what is the point of showing a certificate to get into the football or anywhere else for that matter. Also, fans don't give a monkeys."
~ fini ~
seen as no one else has attempted to counter any of my other points i'm gonna assume my arguments stand.
No more words for now, instead here's some interesting links, in no particular order, which broadly support - or at least render understandeable - the view of any person who is taking a wait-n-see approach with the whole thing: so please think twice before demonising folk who choose to not yet get vaccinated...society is divided enough...
Disclaimer: most of these links are not from 'right-wing' or 'alternative' sources. I'm not anti-vax. There is a dangerous deadly virus out there and some places are having major issues with it. Nevertheless, we need perspective and a respect for different views.
Pfizer-affiliates donate almost 4 times more to Biden than Trump during 2020
![]()
Covid claims 100 lives a day on average across the UK, statistics show
Scientists are comparing the profiles of those who are dying with previous waves – here’s what they knowwww.theguardian.com
choice quote:
View attachment 137190
![]()
Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine Frequently Asked Questions
Frequently asked questions on the emergency use authorization of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccinewww.fda.gov
quote:
View attachment 137191
WHO quote:
--- The World Health Organization director-general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, has again said that the data on the benefits and safety of a Covid-19 vaccine booster shot is inconclusive: --- "its not conclusive, in terms of its benefits; and also, we don’t know, if its safe."
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COVID vaccine protection wanes within six months - UK researchers
Protection against COVID-19 offered by two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech and the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines begins to fade within six months, underscoring the need for booster shots, according to researchers in Britain.www.reuters.com
@LinekersLegs
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bizarre mixed-messaging from the identity-politics-obsessed liberal media:
View attachment 137195
quote:Science | AAAS
www.sciencemag.org
--- The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.---
...and finally...right-wing bad!
![]()
Premier League 'irresponsible' by not asking fans for Covid jab status
EXCLUSIVE: Nervtag scientist Professor Ravindra Gupta said the Premier League's reluctance to force clubs to conduct spot checks 'shows a contempt for the health of football fans'.www.dailymail.co.uk
top 3 reader comments (a.k.a. public sentiment):
"if people want to avoid Covid, stay in avoid all contact with anyone. On the other hand, If you want to enjoy your life and watch the football, then why should the Premiership stop people doing so."
"You know whats irresponsible? Shutting doctors surgeries and hospital services thus creating the longest patient waiting list in NHS history. Using the words 'covid', 'government' and 'expert' makes any further statement worthless."
"Has this expert I've never heard of been keeping up on current events. The experimental treatments don't stop you getting it or passing it on so what is the point of showing a certificate to get into the football or anywhere else for that matter. Also, fans don't give a monkeys."
~ fini ~
I'm no expert, but this isn't a systematic review of the evidence.
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