Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

Right that’s weird, because I haven’t caught covid since November 2020 and am not vaccinated, however I know of about 20 fully vaccinated people that have caught it and probably passed it on in the last couple of months. I’ve probably done more socialising than them too, been to work, pubs, bars, gigs, football matches, the lot. Could it possibly be that natural immunity also makes you less likely to catch it do you think?

and @Wizard

so a vid I posted in here the other day spoke about the differences in immunity

IIRC, the natural infection produces something called IA antibodies (maybe IG). These antibodies are stored in the mucus in your throat/trachea, and attack the virus when it enters those areas. It also produces antibodies that are stored in the lungs.

The vaccine produces two other types of antibodies but not the ones that live in the mucus. They are the ones that live in the lungs. So that's why even with the vaccines you can still get infected, as it can get into your system more easily, but are unlikely to get badly ill.

You can still get re-infected with natural immunity, but it makes it less likely.

If you have both natural immunity and the vaccine, you've basically got double the amount of protection as all these antibodies are there.

The antibodies are of course different to the T cells, which will be created by both vaccination and natural immunity and stay in your system for a long long time and make it very unlikely you'd get seriously ill unless you are in some way compromised.

 

[MikeH72]

What happens if you contract the Delta variant though? It’s okay to say Omicron isn’t a threat to you but Delta certainly is.

I’ve had the Alpha variant mate.

 

[MikeH72]

Well it does though, as it reduces the viral load, meaning you are less likely to pass it on than if you didn't have the vaccine. This is proven mate. It obviously doesn't make it impossible to pass on, it just makes it less likely.

Obviously, first and foremost the vaccine is about protecting yourself but if everyone does that then in turn it does help protect other people.

Can you really tell me what is your reason for not having the vaccine? Like what is the issue with it? I know your body is equipped to deal with it, but what risk is there with the vaccine that isn't worth giving yourself an extra layer of protection?

I know how my body will respond to covid. I don’t know how my body will respond to the vaccine. Before anyone starts kicking and screaming, yes I understand how rare adverse reactions are, but they do happen. I honestly believe I’m more likely to suffer an adverse reaction to the vaccine than I am to suffer to any significant degree with covid. You can throw as many studies at me as you want, but every single person is different and you just don’t know who is going to be the outlier in the statistics. That’s not to say I’m likely to suffer an adverse reaction by the way, just that I’m extremely extremely unlikely to suffer from covid if I catch it again.

This is why freedom of choice is so important to me and the dehumanising of people for not thinking the same way as them is dangerous and counter-productive. We’re all just human beings with our own biological nuances and no one should be told what to do with their own bodies by someone who doesn’t know the first thing about them.

 

[BlueToff]

I know how my body will respond to covid. I don’t know how my body will respond to the vaccine. Before anyone starts kicking and screaming, yes I understand how rare adverse reactions are, but they do happen. I honestly believe I’m more likely to suffer an adverse reaction to the vaccine than I am to suffer to any significant degree with covid. You can throw as many studies at me as you want, but every single person is different and you just don’t know who is going to be the outlier in the statistics. That’s not to say I’m likely to suffer an adverse reaction by the way, just that I’m extremely extremely unlikely to suffer from covid if I catch it again.

This is why freedom of choice is so important to me and the dehumanising of people for not thinking the same way as them is dangerous and counter-productive. We’re all just human beings with our own biological nuances and no one should be told what to do with their own bodies by someone who doesn’t know the first thing about them.

Fair enough if they’re your reasons. I don’t understand or agree with them but they’re your reasons.

I’m not sure they stand up if you say you’re ignoring any studies, or real world evidence though. Because surely there’s people who have adverse reactions to taking any medicine? They’re always outliers and unless you take them you don’t know.

Anyway, I know you aren’t the type who would be going round coughing in people’s faces or anything and I do firmly believe it’s a freedom of choice issue with the vaccine. But I do also think that choices come with consequences. I don’t agree with making things mandatory but if, for example, private airlines want to insist on travellers being vaccinated or certain countries will only let vaccinated people in then really that comes with the choice people who didn’t get vaccinated made. It’s crap that’s the way of the world though, obviously

 

[ForeverBlue92]

According to Government statistics as of the 15th December 2021:

429 people have had severe blood clots from the vaccines with 75 having died.

14 people with capillary leak syndrome

44,596 cases of menstrual problems/bleeding

1,491 confirmed cases of heart inflammation including 6 deaths.

582 cases of Guillian Barre Syndrome

1,889 reported cases of deaths days after being administered a vaccine (can't confirm if linked to vaccine or not).

Plenty of other conditions such as Vasculitis, GCA, swellings etc.

Yes the vaccines are a lot safer than catching Covid but the younger the age group you go that difference becomes less and less as under 40's are very unlikely to get seriously ill or die from the virus.

Vaccinations are important but jabbing yourself every 3-6 months for the rest of your life isnt 100% safe imo.

 

[MikeH72]

Fair enough if they’re your reasons. I don’t understand or agree with them but they’re your reasons.

I’m not sure they stand up if you say you’re ignoring any studies, or real world evidence though. Because surely there’s people who have adverse reactions to taking any medicine? They’re always outliers and unless you take them you don’t know.

Anyway, I know you aren’t the type who would be going round coughing in people’s faces or anything and I do firmly believe it’s a freedom of choice issue with the vaccine. But I do also think that choices come with consequences. I don’t agree with making things mandatory but if, for example, private airlines want to insist on travellers being vaccinated or certain countries will only let vaccinated people in then really that comes with the choice people who didn’t get vaccinated made. It’s crap that’s the way of the world though, obviously

Well if you don’t understand any of that what I’ve just said then there’s nothing left I’ll be able to say to make you understand. I can only hope that it helps people to stop and think before they go around screaming “YOU’RE AN IDIOT GET VACCINATED” in people’s faces without even knowing them or their reasons for doing something.

I’ll sign off on this debate now. I appreciate that you’re actually one of the few to engage in sensible conversation on here. Death to social media.

 

[Nymzee]

According to Government statistics as of the 15th December 2021:

429 people have had severe blood clots from the vaccines with 75 having died.

14 people with capillary leak syndrome

44,596 cases of menstrual problems/bleeding

1,491 confirmed cases of heart inflammation including 6 deaths.

582 cases of Guillian Barre Syndrome

1,889 reported cases of deaths days after being administered a vaccine (can't confirm if linked to vaccine or not).

Plenty of other conditions such as Vasculitis, GCA, swellings etc.

Yes the vaccines are a lot safer than catching Covid but the younger the age group you go that difference becomes less and less as under 40's are very unlikely to get seriously ill or die from the virus.

Vaccinations are important but jabbing yourself every 3-6 months for the rest of your life isnt 100% safe imo.

And what's the age range on the above statistics? You kinda need to say how many of those issues are to people 40 and below otherwise your argument disappears.

 

[BlueToff]

According to Government statistics as of the 15th December 2021:

429 people have had severe blood clots from the vaccines with 75 having died.

14 people with capillary leak syndrome

44,596 cases of menstrual problems/bleeding

1,491 confirmed cases of heart inflammation including 6 deaths.

582 cases of Guillian Barre Syndrome

1,889 reported cases of deaths days after being administered a vaccine (can't confirm if linked to vaccine or not).

Plenty of other conditions such as Vasculitis, GCA, swellings etc.

Yes the vaccines are a lot safer than catching Covid but the younger the age group you go that difference becomes less and less as under 40's are very unlikely to get seriously ill or die from the virus.

Vaccinations are important but jabbing yourself every 3-6 months for the rest of your life isnt 100% safe imo.

I think that last part is totally fair

I’m getting my booster but I won’t be getting any more unless it’s an annual thing like the flu jab, which I also got this year

 

[BlueToff]

Well if you don’t understand any of that what I’ve just said then there’s nothing left I’ll be able to say to make you understand. I can only hope that it helps people to stop and think before they go around screaming “YOU’RE AN IDIOT GET VACCINATED” in people’s faces without even knowing them or their reasons for doing something.

I’ll sign off on this debate now. Death to social media.

I think it’s idiotic not to get vaccinated against covid unless you have specific medical reasons mate yes. You said yourself you’re ignoring studies and evidence in that regard so even if your genuine medical concerns that you have (which is completely fair, we all have them I think) are being proven to be ungrounded, you won’t be taking notice. That’s what I don’t understand.

But yeah no worries, enjoy whatever’s left of your Xmas mate! I’ve done 3 days straight on the ale which you know isn’t sensible in all this either (have managed to keep up the exercise like, bike ride on Christmas Day and everything lol )

 

[BlueToff]

More good data. And more confirmation that Jenny Harris is daft lol

 

[MikeH72]

I think it’s idiotic not to get vaccinated against covid unless you have specific medical reasons mate yes. You said yourself you’re ignoring studies and evidence in that regard so even if your genuine medical concerns that you have (which is completely fair, we all have them I think) are being proven to be ungrounded, you won’t be taking notice. That’s what I don’t understand.

But yeah no worries, enjoy whatever’s left of your Xmas mate! I’ve done 3 days straight on the ale which you know isn’t sensible in all this either (have managed to keep up the exercise like, bike ride on Christmas Day and everything lol )

I’m about to embark on a two day session after I finish my last night shift tonight. Pray for me x

 

[BlueToff]

Thought that was really interesting (from the ONS) and a good way of showing Omicron in the UK

Edit: the vid starts off with data from ONS that shows Omicron hospitalisation lag is down to 10 days typically

 

[tsubaki]

According to Government statistics as of the 15th December 2021:

429 people have had severe blood clots from the vaccines with 75 having died.

14 people with capillary leak syndrome

44,596 cases of menstrual problems/bleeding

1,491 confirmed cases of heart inflammation including 6 deaths.

582 cases of Guillian Barre Syndrome

1,889 reported cases of deaths days after being administered a vaccine (can't confirm if linked to vaccine or not).

Plenty of other conditions such as Vasculitis, GCA, swellings etc.

Yes the vaccines are a lot safer than catching Covid but the younger the age group you go that difference becomes less and less as under 40's are very unlikely to get seriously ill or die from the virus.

Vaccinations are important but jabbing yourself every 3-6 months for the rest of your life isnt 100% safe imo.

"but apart from that Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

 

[mill]

Jab me right up. Not even arsed.

 

[Neiler]

49.7% positivity on tests done over here today, thats our highest ever, basically 1 in 2 of everyone being tested.

Though id throw in the caveat of it being Xmas, reduced testing etc.