Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[efcfanwirral]

NHS is 'grinding to a halt' as even triple-jabbed staff fall ill in Covid surge

Family doctor says he has never known so many colleagues on the NHS frontline fall ill with the virus.

metro.co.uk

all this talk about Christmas restrictions and New Year has distracted from this issue, which I think makes 2022 look very bleak. It's completely unsustainable to have a virus this infectious and keep a health service or even rest of the country running. I'm sure they'll try a 4th jab soon when they're waiting for the variant specific one, but it's fair to say I can't see any restrictions that do come in going away for a while. And then what happens when another variant comes in that's just as transmissible and you can get infected with again...

As long as there are isolation periods, there will be big problems.

 

[COYBL25]

This is what I've been talking about, the media involvement and constant scaremongering has got to be tackled, I just don't get the narrative they are pushing... the death of a man in his 80s with underlying conditions in Australia has made the news in Ireland.
Omicron must not be too deadly if the media have to scour the entire planet just to find an eldery sick man who's died.. sad and all for his family but hardly newsworthy in Ireland.

France announces new Covid-19 measures amid spike in infections

In England, politicians said there would be no further restrictions before 2022 but people are urged to be “cautious”.

www.thejournal.ie

“ Old Man Dies of Something “

 

[BlueToff]

That isn’t what I said? I said “they’re idiots” is mindless social media groupthink.

Fair enough.

I don't think everyone who doesn't get the vaccine is an anti-vaxxer. I do think unless people have a good medical reason to do so though, then it's a bit idiotic.

But we can agree to disagree. Doesn't make me think you're a bad person or should be treated like scum.

 

[BlueToff]

That's exactly right mate, you have made the decision based on that.

So why are unvaccinated people getting vilified and labelled all sorts for having the same thought process but having a different opinion?

Some people have thought 'well there is less than 1% chance of this causing me any problems especially given my age and physical condition' so why would i need 1-2-3-4 shots of a vaccine to combat it?

I don't have a single issue with people unvaccinated or vaccinated, what i do have a problem with is people telling other people what to do with their body and lives.

yeah I just think that it's a bit daft for people to decide that they don't need to be vaccinated at all. I really do think that's a silly decision unless they have medical reasons not to. I'm not even talking about the boosters here, but why would you not want the bare basics of two shots to help protect you and, therefore, others around you too?

I don't agree people should be vilified. But isn't it a bit daft?

 

[Neiler]

yeah I just think that it's a bit daft for people to decide that they don't need to be vaccinated at all. I really do think that's a silly decision unless they have medical reasons not to. I'm not even talking about the boosters here, but why would you not want the bare basics of two shots to help protect you and, therefore, others around you too?

I don't agree people should be vilified. But isn't it a bit daft?

 

[Neiler]

Omicron has become the dominant variant over here about a week now, here how our hospitals data is trending compared to past waves:

 

[Neiler]

 

[MikeH72]

yeah I just think that it's a bit daft for people to decide that they don't need to be vaccinated at all. I really do think that's a silly decision unless they have medical reasons not to. I'm not even talking about the boosters here, but why would you not want the bare basics of two shots to help protect you and, therefore, others around you too?

I don't agree people should be vilified. But isn't it a bit daft?

Well it doesn’t help protect others around me, the only way to do that is to not have the virus and isolate when I do get it, which is what I do. As well as test regularly, and maintain distance, wear masks, wash hands and sanitise regularly etc. Which is all stuff that I have continued to do throughout. The vaccine only protects me, and I believe the chances of me becoming ill are so unbelievably minute anyway that the vaccine couldn’t possibly offer me any extra protection. Don’t forget the part where I’ve had the virus and have natural antibodies too. So you could say that’s my medical reason, that my body is already equipped to deal with the virus.

 

[MikeH72]

@BlueToff the price of these is a bit on the steep side, but it is an interesting little experiment and helps you understand your body’s natural response to covid.

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[Wizard]

Well it doesn’t help protect others around me, the only way to do that is to not have the virus and isolate when I do get it, which is what I do. As well as test regularly, and maintain distance, wear masks, wash hands and sanitise regularly etc. Which is all stuff that I have continued to do throughout. The vaccine only protects me, and I believe the chances of me becoming ill are so unbelievably minute anyway that the vaccine couldn’t possibly offer me any extra protection. Don’t forget the part where I’ve had the virus and have natural antibodies too. So you could say that’s my medical reason, that my body is already equipped to deal with the virus.

You're less likely to catch covid if you are vaccinated. If you don't have the virus you are helping people around you, not just yourself. The vaccine doesn't only protect you at all.

Household contacts, unvaxxed more likely to catch covid:

You're Far Less Likely to Spread the Coronavirus If You're Vaccinated

Fully vaccinated people are less likely to contract the coronavirus than unvaccinated people. If they don’t get an infection, they can’t transmit the virus to others.

www.healthline.com

All, settings, unvaxxed 5x more likely to catch covid, >10x to be hospitalised or die:

Monitoring Incidence of COVID-19 Cases...

After the COVID-19 B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant reached predominance, fully vaccinated people had less risk of infection, hospitalization, and death.

www.cdc.gov

 

[MikeH72]

You're less likely to catch covid if you are vaccinated. If you don't have the virus you are helping people around you, not just yourself. The vaccine doesn't only protect you at all.

Household contacts, unvaxxed more likely to catch covid:

You're Far Less Likely to Spread the Coronavirus If You're Vaccinated

Fully vaccinated people are less likely to contract the coronavirus than unvaccinated people. If they don’t get an infection, they can’t transmit the virus to others.

www.healthline.com

All, settings, unvaxxed 5x more likely to catch covid, >10x to be hospitalised or die:

Monitoring Incidence of COVID-19 Cases...

After the COVID-19 B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant reached predominance, fully vaccinated people had less risk of infection, hospitalization, and death.

www.cdc.gov

Right that’s weird, because I haven’t caught covid since November 2020 and am not vaccinated, however I know of about 20 fully vaccinated people that have caught it and probably passed it on in the last couple of months. I’ve probably done more socialising than them too, been to work, pubs, bars, gigs, football matches, the lot. Could it possibly be that natural immunity also makes you less likely to catch it do you think?

 

[Wizard]

Right that’s weird, because I haven’t caught covid since November 2020 and am not vaccinated, however I know of about 20 fully vaccinated people that have caught it and probably passed it on in the last couple of months. Could it possibly be that natural immunity also makes you less likely to catch it do you think?

Natural immunity will help yes of course (although you will still be able to be reinfected just as someone vaccinated can be). My post was just to counter your argument that "the vaccine only protects me" which is just not true at all.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Well it doesn’t help protect others around me, the only way to do that is to not have the virus and isolate when I do get it, which is what I do. As well as test regularly, and maintain distance, wear masks, wash hands and sanitise regularly etc. Which is all stuff that I have continued to do throughout. The vaccine only protects me, and I believe the chances of me becoming ill are so unbelievably minute anyway that the vaccine couldn’t possibly offer me any extra protection. Don’t forget the part where I’ve had the virus and have natural antibodies too. So you could say that’s my medical reason, that my body is already equipped to deal with the virus.

What happens if you contract the Delta variant though? It’s okay to say Omicron isn’t a threat to you but Delta certainly is.

 

[BlueToff]

Well it doesn’t help protect others around me, the only way to do that is to not have the virus and isolate when I do get it, which is what I do. As well as test regularly, and maintain distance, wear masks, wash hands and sanitise regularly etc. Which is all stuff that I have continued to do throughout. The vaccine only protects me, and I believe the chances of me becoming ill are so unbelievably minute anyway that the vaccine couldn’t possibly offer me any extra protection. Don’t forget the part where I’ve had the virus and have natural antibodies too. So you could say that’s my medical reason, that my body is already equipped to deal with the virus.

Well it does though, as it reduces the viral load, meaning you are less likely to pass it on than if you didn't have the vaccine. This is proven mate. It obviously doesn't make it impossible to pass on, it just makes it less likely.

Obviously, first and foremost the vaccine is about protecting yourself but if everyone does that then in turn it does help protect other people.

Can you really tell me what is your reason for not having the vaccine? Like what is the issue with it? I know your body is equipped to deal with it, but what risk is there with the vaccine that isn't worth giving yourself an extra layer of protection?

 

[BlueToff]

@BlueToff the price of these is a bit on the steep side, but it is an interesting little experiment and helps you understand your body’s natural response to covid.

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I did do the antibody test in September last year when the government sent round a load of random ones to get an idea of it. Probably wasn't as accurate as those, though.

I'm like you, I've got natural immunity too. I just also have the vaccine on top of that and tbh I was happy when I did get COVID that I'd had my first dose. It might have done nothing, I might have been just as bad without the first dose as I was with the first dose, but I'm glad I didn't find out.