Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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BlueToff said:
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Cases levelling off/dropping. But as you can see they did in Denmark over the weekend and then have spiked up again. So could see a bit of a rise.

Looks like France either reported them weirdly over the weekend or they're starting to have their Omicron surge.
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I reckon tons of people aren’t testing now in case Christmas is written off.
 
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COVID-19 surveillance

Current data on the development of coronavirus/COVID-19.
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Current hospital data from Denmark

COVID-19 surveillance​

Current data on the development of coronavirus/COVID-19.​



Vaccinated persons in Denmark​

Updated 21 December 2021 at 14.00 - Data from 21 December 2021 at 12.15
Total Last 24 hours1 day before
Vaccination initiated4,764.1019,2269,762
Fully vaccinated4,518,7464,8562,667
Revaccinated 2,037,991123,84971,373
The number of vaccinated persons is calculated once a day before 08:00. The numbers are limited to persons alive and with an active address in Denmark (source: CPR register). Source: The Danish Vaccination Register (DDV), Statens Serum Institut
1) 2 December 2021: We expect 5,573,755 people to be offered vaccination in Denmark in 2021. The proportion of vaccinated persons is calculated in relation to the number of persons who are offered vaccination. The total population in the fourth quarter of 2021 (1 October 2021): 5,867,412 (Source: Statistics Denmark, Danmarks Statistik: Population Figures

Key figures, Denmark​

Updated 21 December 2021 at 14.00 - Data from 21 December 2021 at 12.15
All numbers are calculated exclusively on the basis of PCR tests.

Entire pandemic
Total
PCR test152,532.188
Confirmed cases2640,413
Deaths33,144
Antigen test50,217,433

Changes

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Last 24 hours 1 day before2 days before3 days before4 days before5 days before6 days before7 days before
PCR test1243,077203,467191,578233,670 222,768208,498205,222 201,322
Confirmed cases213,05710,0828,2128,59411,1949,9998,773 8,314
Deaths3 1789133129 7
Antigen test 249,150221,507233,207273,834256,279 227,791255,103 262,106


Hospitalised - at the moment
TodayChange in 24 hours
Hospitalised4554-27
Of which in intensive care units67+1
Of which in intensive care units and on ventilators35+2
  • Of the 554 hospitalised persons, 67 persons are admitted to intensive care units.
  • Of the 67 persons in intensive care units, 35 persons are on ventilators.
 
NorthernBlue said:
I reckon tons of people aren’t testing now in case Christmas is written off.
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Perhaps yes, it's definitely possible/probably, but that doesn't change the fact that infections are still happening.

And if you need to go to hospital after getting infected, you do count on those statistics. It's why they've got to wait and see on these measures. And I can't blame ministers for wanting to wait those few days this time around.
 
BlueToff said:
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Cases levelling off/dropping. But as you can see they did in Denmark over the weekend and then have spiked up again. So could see a bit of a rise.

Looks like France either reported them weirdly over the weekend or they're starting to have their Omicron surge.
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Id be serious of the positivity % of swabs, mate that's a better indication. Its not easily found in the UK - i had a look over the weekend and i couldn't easily find at least.

We're at 20% over here at the moment, but we only count PCR where i think you guys count antigens.
 
dholliday said:
self-correction/clarification: This applies to the age group of 18+ where vaccinations are common, and is applicable to the current wave (where most are now vaccinated).

So in conclusion, three simple points:

1) the UK's voluntarily-unvaccinated have not used up more than 3% of total NHS beds at any one time during this current peak wave. If 3% is a regular thing, then maybe it's a problem. But as it occurs during a peak-wave of an active global pandemic, it appears a reasonable percentage.

2) many serious studies show the vaccinated can spread the virus in relatively the same amount, time-frame and viral-load as the unvaccinated. Some studies show that for the first 1-2 months after receiving a booster the time-frame of infectiousness is reduced vs the unvaxxed. But taken as whole this appears insignificant (unless the vaccinated take monthly boosters?) and is effectively cancelled out by the unvaccinated being bound by stricter rules and more regular testing...are thus less socially active and less capable of catching & spreading. Then there's the Omicron mutation, which is causing real panic but appears according to the data to be spread by the vaccinated.

3) with this in mind, is it reasonable to blame the unvaccinated for NHS bed-availability and/or virus spread/mutations? And if it's not reasonable, why are politicians & the media pushing this narrative?


The bolded bit is important...the blame game can be quite revealing.
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I have no issue with unvaccinated people and would be a big advocate of informed choice.

But i think some of the points you are making are a bit misleading on data.

1) By the sheer weight of people vaccinated think its in the high 80% in the UK the vast majority of admissions will always be vaccinated, by sheer weight of numbers, a better metric is measure a sample of 100k vaccinated and unvaccinated, in terms of overall occupancy pro rata. That before you do the same thing again with delineating with ICU for vaccinated and unvaccinated pro rata proportionally, its clearly disproportionate and unvaccinated are far more at risk.

2) While you are correct to an extent, with antibody decline and transmissibility, you don't factor in the frequency that an unvaccinated person is at a higher risk at being infected and how Antibody protection and T Cell response would protect someone from being a carrier anyway. The vaccine is a point where there is a break in the chain of infection.

No interest in getting into a debate about people choices or rights and wrongs around vaccines...its up to them....but its important to add context to some of the points you made.
 
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Neiler said:
Id be serious of the positivity % of swabs, mate that's a better indication. Its not easily found in the UK - i had a look over the weekend and i couldn't easily find at least.

We're at 20% over here at the moment, but we only count PCR where i think you guys count antigens.
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Lateral flow tests clearly work. Loads of people are testing positive on them at the moment. There's no reason why they shouldn't be included in the stats.

UK positive rates are currently around 6%.
 
tsubaki said:
There is nothing in vocational training that should impact on professionalisation or status, and they lived with it for many years. I just think there is a lot more sense for something like that (or other things like social work or policing) that are more suited to learning on/with the job than they are via a degree.
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I'm going completely off topic here, but the differences in healthcare professionals training across the pond is very interesting to me.

You need the underlying medical science background to understand new developments in your field.

Also, from experience as a student and teacher, clinical (on the job) learning can be badly hit and miss. If you don't see any or many patients with a certain problem, you don't learn much or anything about it.

You need a mix and the getting the balance just right is hard.
 
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