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I suspect the Royal College of Nursing would fight tooth and nail against that. Nursing has fought for years for professionalisation and status. Part of that is accreditation. Rightly or wrongly.
There's a terrible misogyny underpinning this belief that nursing is something that only requires a vocational qualification. As was explained in terms of the coverage when it was made a profession requiring a degree.

 
There's a terrible misogyny underpinning this belief that nursing is something that only requires a vocational qualification. As was explained in terms of the coverage when it was made a profession requiring a degree.

Heh, indeed, the so called 'hand-maidens of medicine'.
 
It's horribly outdated. The doctors do all the thinking and the nurses just wipe the bums.
It does still tend to play out like that unfortunately. Not in all contexts, but I've certainly seen really hierarchical set ups in general practice (GPs are in charge, the nurses take orders) and in multidisciplinary research teams in health services research. Albeit there are very good, qualified and well respected nursing clinical academics leading major grants.

It is getting better, slowly. One irony is, arguably, that with Nurses getting more status and responsibilities HCAs fulfil that 'vocational lacky' void - with all the associated negative connotations and assumptions.

It's an imperfect world :(
 
I suspect the Royal College of Nursing would fight tooth and nail against that. Nursing has fought for years for professionalisation and status. Part of that is accreditation. Rightly or wrongly.

There is nothing in vocational training that should impact on professionalisation or status, and they lived with it for many years. I just think there is a lot more sense for something like that (or other things like social work or policing) that are more suited to learning on/with the job than they are via a degree.
 
There is nothing in vocational training that should impact on professionalisation or status, and they lived with it for many years. I just think there is a lot more sense for something like that (or other things like social work or policing) that are more suited to learning on/with the job than they are via a degree.
Unfortunately mate, I think there's many who will disagree there.
 
Unfortunately mate, I think there's many who will disagree there.

I am sure there are, but I've thought for years that workplace training has been mistakenly binned off in favour of pushing people down an academic route which may not be appropriate (and which also transfers the cost of that training from the company / organization and loads it onto the individual).
 
I am sure there are, but I've thought for years that workplace training has been mistakenly binned off in favour of pushing people down an academic route which may not be appropriate (and which also transfers the cost of that training from the company / organization and loads it onto the individual).
You could make the same argument about professional accreditations for things like chartered institutes or accounting qualifications. Yet they still exist.
 
I am sure there are, but I've thought for years that workplace training has been mistakenly binned off in favour of pushing people down an academic route which may not be appropriate (and which also transfers the cost of that training from the company / organization and loads it onto the individual).
As for the cost onto individuals or organisations... in the case of degrees perhaps we need to look at the funding model as much issues around asking people to do one to undertake a particular vocation?


Anyhow, think we're veering off topic as it is the covid thread.
 
You could make the same argument about professional accreditations for things like chartered institutes or accounting qualifications. Yet they still exist.
As this article from the Nightingale School illustrates, the distinction is between nurses who just do what they're told and nurses who think about how best to advance healthcare.

 
Why it's should be reformed.

Year 1 straight into hospital diung care work and training, free training and paid

Yeah 2 move onto nursing training in hospital. Wages go up

Year 3 final year wages go up

Simple
Not sure correction I know it isn't that simple.
There must be a good deal of back ground 'medical theory and practice' stuff you have to learn.
Sometimes you do only need to know how.
But sometimes you need to know why because it impinges on something else.
 
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