Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[ToffeeTim]

We do know the answer. Lockdown achieved significantly less cases and deaths than would otherwise have happened had we not locked down.

Of course it worked, but it caused enormous issues for people and there is no justification for another one. Not in a highly vaccinated society. And there will always be a spike when you unlock because covid is here for the long term and cannot be eradicated.

You can;t keep locking down forever because there is more to life than covid. I cannot support another lockdown and it would be disastrous.

 

[woomy]

Just had a message from little ones school. Asking public health to close early for Xmas. Just been smashed with cases. 18% of the school pupils gone off today.
All class Xmas plays performances cancelled.
Apparently if they get to 20% it triggers a proper conversation of closing the school. So they have asked early.

 

[tsubaki]

Just playing devils advocate, that's all. When we came out of lockdown last summer, cases went up to a daily average of 32k.
So yes, lockdown cut cases, whilst in lockdown, but did it just delay people getting it? Which then you can argue, was it worth it. If as is likely most people had the Rona at least once what was the point of locking down in the summer if all that happened was you just delayed the inevitable.

Don't get me wrong. Deaths, bad and all that. But did lockdown actually achieve anything. Unfortunately we will never really know the answer. Easy to say yes it did, easy to say no it didn't.
All we do know is they cut cases and then cases skyrocketed when we came out of lockdowns.

Edit. Actually at one point 48k new cases a day at one point.

we didn’t reach that high until quite a long time after the lockdowns had lifted; had we a working detection and containment system there’s no reason to think we’d have got that high again (for example South Korea, which does have such a system, is seeing new daily cases around the 6k mark).

 

[TN Toffee]

I haven’t heard anyone openly urging the government to lock everything down, but reading the tea leaves it seems that is what doctors/scientists believe is going to be necessary. However, has anyone put forth an actual time frame that would be required? Is it something like spring of last year where it lasted a few weeks to try and flatten the curve, or we talking more like something that lasts well into next summer like happened around this time last year?

 

[Johnniepk]

Update on my Aunt. I sent an email expressing my concerns and difficulties getting her booster done.
I had a fixed appointment, with the.promise of no waiting for next Tuesday morning by return.
?

 

[Prevenger17]

Of course it worked, but it caused enormous issues for people and there is no justification for another one. Not in a highly vaccinated society. And there will always be a spike when you unlock because covid is here for the long term and cannot be eradicated.

You can;t keep locking down forever because there is more to life than covid. I cannot support another lockdown and it would be disastrous.

I think you missed my follow up post there

 

[grandjoeblue]

I haven’t heard anyone openly urging the government to lock everything down, but reading the tea leaves it seems that is what doctors/scientists believe is going to be necessary. However, has anyone put forth an actual time frame that would be required? Is it something like spring of last year where it lasted a few weeks to try and flatten the curve, or we talking more like something that lasts well into next summer like happened around this time last year?

Those 3 or 4 week lockdowns do not work at all, the one last November was a joke. It would have to be until at least April to be remotely successful.

 

[woomy]

I think the pressure will grow for a lockdown.
Kinda think though it might be a backdoor one if it does happen.
Close the schools again, so parents have to stay home, social distancing, lock down the vulnerable etc.

I really hope it doesn't happen. We have done enough damage to the economy and people mental health already, and we still have no proof this variant is causing deaths.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Where is the flu in all this data now? Have we any numbers for flu this year at all?

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Last update was “For week 48, the daily ILI rate remained low and below the baseline threshold of 19.6 per 100,000 for the 2021 to 2022 season (Figure 29).”

 

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[efcfanwirral]

I haven’t heard anyone openly urging the government to lock everything down, but reading the tea leaves it seems that is what doctors/scientists believe is going to be necessary. However, has anyone put forth an actual time frame that would be required? Is it something like spring of last year where it lasted a few weeks to try and flatten the curve, or we talking more like something that lasts well into next summer like happened around this time last year?

Those 3 or 4 week lockdowns do not work at all, the one last November was a joke. It would have to be until at least April to be remotely successful.

To be fair this time something to end of February would probably be proportionate, given the older people have been protected with their boosters. It's not like we're waiting for something in particular this time, just getting the pressure off hospitals and that had happened around March last year.

Even at the end of last winter I'd essentialy mentally prepared myself to be locked down at least January and February, perhaps March too, this year

 

[efcfanwirral]

I've got to say though, if the situation is as dire as they say it could be then they're mismanaging it again. If they genuinely think the NHS will be overwhelmed in a month the measures are laughable. They won't be boostering everyone before it happens. So surely if a lockdown is inevitable then now is the time?

It's weird - if they're telling the truth, they're not responding fully enough

 

[Jebus_lives]

Unreal that we are still at the 'is lockdown effective?' stage.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Just had a message from little ones school. Asking public health to close early for Xmas. Just been smashed with cases. 18% of the school pupils gone off today.
All class Xmas plays performances cancelled.
Apparently if they get to 20% it triggers a proper conversation of closing the school. So they have asked early.

Still likely to be delta as well.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Still likely to be delta as well.

Depends where he lives in the country. The new variant is believed to be close to dominant in the London regions already. This new version spreads like wildfire.