Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tramps_mate]

Where is the flu in all this data now? Have we any numbers for flu this year at all?

 

[Adam-GOTTV]

One of the reasons Omicron is being hyped so hard, despite actually quite encouraging preliminary data, is that it provides all of the 'authorities' who'll benefit most from another round of vaccination, the opportunity to strip the double-jabbed of their fully vaccinated status.

They'll keep jabbing people over the coming months, potentially four or five times until infections start to naturally wain in the Spring anyway, and then we'll hear all about how successful another few rounds of vaccinations have been.

It's so obvious. I'd laugh if thousands of people won't be injuried (or worse) again in the process.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Javvid is out today with the latest nonsense update.

The health secretary has confirmed 10 people are in hospital, although he could not give any details on the severity of their illness or whether anyone has died with the variant so far. However, he said there's "always a lag" between infections and deaths

I mean the people have to die first before they can be a covid death right? Am I reading that wrong? Reads to me 10 in hospital that aren't dead but there is a lag between infection and death, so we have to wait for the lag whilst they are still alive and potentially are or aren't severely ill?

Mr Javid said "no-one knows for sure at the moment" whether Omicron is less severe than previous variants, but he warned that even if it is then we could still see a large number of hospital admissions due to how transmissible it is.

Why does it automatically mean an increased number of hospitalisations if it is less severe? Isn't that the opposite? Less severe things normally have less severe outcomes, not more of them.

Health Secretary Sajid Javid has urged people to get a booster jab as soon as possible, saying "two doses are not enough but three doses provide excellent protection against symptomatic infection".

This was said before the mention of the varient. So is it fair to say we are being lied to now? Because 2 jabs was enough when we all got them, now we need that third, context here being this is for people really who recently got the second jab , not the ones like me jabbed months ago.

The health secretary has warned the Omicron variant is "spreading at a phenomenal rate" and infections are continuing to double every two to three days.

The rate of its spread is "something we've never seen before", he told Sky's Kay Burley

Not seen before? So the start of the pandemic where despite a lockdown the virus was spreading to potentially millions with thousands of admissions is the same as 540 cases in a week? What?

 

[JLW]

Javvid is out today with the latest nonsense update.



I mean the people have to die first before they can be a covid death right? Am I reading that wrong? Reads to me 10 in hospital that aren't dead but there is a lag between infection and death, so we have to wait for the lag whilst they are still alive and potentially are or aren't severely ill?



Why does it automatically mean an increased number of hospitalisations if it is less severe? Isn't that the opposite? Less severe things normally have less severe outcomes, not more of them.



This was said before the mention of the varient. So is it fair to say we are being lied to now? Because 2 jabs was enough when we all got them, now we need that third, context here being this is for people really who recently got the second jab , not the ones like me jabbed months ago.

Lies Lies Lies fear fear fear they cannot help themselves.

 

[tsubaki]

Javvid is out today with the latest nonsense update.



I mean the people have to die first before they can be a covid death right? Am I reading that wrong? Reads to me 10 in hospital that aren't dead but there is a lag between infection and death, so we have to wait for the lag whilst they are still alive and potentially are or aren't severely ill?

Yes, given how long it takes for someone to die of traditional COVID there is usually a lag. It’s usually a few days / a week before developing symptoms, a week to ten days before getting admitted (if it’s that bad), and then a week to three weeks in hospital of failed treatments before they die.

Many people do die more quickly or struggle on longer but generally deaths lag behind cases by around a month (something that could be seen from both national lockdowns).

 

[grandjoeblue]

Yes, given how long it takes for someone to die of traditional COVID there is usually a lag. It’s usually a few days / a week before developing symptoms, a week to ten days before getting admitted (if it’s that bad), and then a week to three weeks in hospital of failed treatments before they die.

Many people do die more quickly or struggle on longer but generally deaths lag behind cases by around a month (something that could be seen from both national lockdowns).

I think everyone gets this now but in SA (the only real world example) the hospitalisation and deaths have not followed the typical path with this variant so far. You'd expect far more in hospital at this stage even with their younger population. When I last checked they were still considerably below Delta hospitalisation levels. Maybe that will change but some reports suggest they're close to peak cases and it's been somewhere around 4 weeks since it was noticed so you'd expect higher hospitalisation at this stage.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Yes, given how long it takes for someone to die of traditional COVID there is usually a lag. It’s usually a few days / a week before developing symptoms, a week to ten days before getting admitted (if it’s that bad), and then a week to three weeks in hospital of failed treatments before they die.

Many people do die more quickly or struggle on longer but generally deaths lag behind cases by around a month (something that could be seen from both national lockdowns).

But they do have to die first though.

Two different ministers in two days have said the same thing, or not said it at least. Can't say how severe the illness is or whether they are in hospital because of it.

It's textbook nonsense.

Because they aren't severely ill , so they can't say they are. You know how I know? Because it's 10, so if they had severe illness they would know this and be able to communicate it out in a way to encourage others to go and get the booster. As they aren't severely ill, they don't want to outright lie about it because they have to have some integrity, so peddle the we don't know line covers that track.

A covid patient isn't in hospital for an average of 2/3 weeks when it's two weeks to catch, develop and then pass , hence the 10 days isolation we all had to do. So if they were seriously ill, they would already be. In some cases sure there would be longer standing issues , at the worst case scenario but that is such a small minority in comparison to admissions.

 

[Amw79]

Javvid is out today with the latest nonsense update.



I mean the people have to die first before they can be a covid death right? Am I reading that wrong? Reads to me 10 in hospital that aren't dead but there is a lag between infection and death, so we have to wait for the lag whilst they are still alive and potentially are or aren't severely ill?



Why does it automatically mean an increased number of hospitalisations if it is less severe? Isn't that the opposite? Less severe things normally have less severe outcomes, not more of them.



This was said before the mention of the varient. So is it fair to say we are being lied to now? Because 2 jabs was enough when we all got them, now we need that third, context here being this is for people really who recently got the second jab , not the ones like me jabbed months ago.



Not seen before? So the start of the pandemic where despite a lockdown the virus was spreading to potentially millions with thousands of admissions is the same as 540 cases in a week? What?

It’s a numbers game with severity versus transmissibility. Omicron could be half as severe as Delta, but if it’s 3 times as transmissible, you’d still end up with higher hospitalisation numbers by volume. I.e if 100,000 delta cases caused 1,000 people to be hospitalised. Omicron would result in 300,000 cases with 1,500 being hospitalised, in the same time frame.

These numbers are made up, to illustrate. Hopefully this week we should start to see UK data on hospitalisations.

A covid patient isn't in hospital for an average of 2/3 weeks when it's two weeks to catch, develop and then pass , hence the 10 days isolation we all had to do. So if they were seriously ill, they would already be. In some cases sure there would be longer standing issues , at the worst case scenario but that is such a small minority in comparison to admissions.

Think that’s false. Sure I remember reading that average stay in hospital for a Covid patient was 2 week, and it will be more for severe cases / those that end in death, cos it’s the Covid-caused pneumonia that does for most people.

EDIt: correction. I think average stay overall was 7 days, but for those who ended up in ICU average stay was 14 days.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Wow. EU announces that people who are only double jabbed (meaning not triple jabbed) won't be allowed into Schengen area starting from Feb 1.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Wow. EU announces that people who are only double jabbed (meaning not triple jabbed) won't be allowed into Schengen area starting from Feb 1.

How quickly could someone even get 3 doses if they are on zero now? Isn't it something like 6 weeks between the first two and then 3 months before the third?

Some anti vaxxers are going to be stuck on this Island.

 

[BlueToff]

Daily testing might be, but not like this - as mentioned above all the responsibility for doing them is on the contact. I’d hope people would report positive tests anyway but sadly doing it like this gives those who wouldn’t loads of get-outs.

In an ideal world we would be at the stage where T&T would know contacts two levels removed from a positive case (so the recent contacts of the recent contacts of someone who’d tested positive), test them in a systematic way and close it (the infections) down that way but of course our system is terrible and case numbers are way too high to do that.

I don't know what systematic way you mean when this thing has an R rate of 4 though?

You can't contain that without having thousands isolating at once and that cripples things.

 

[grandjoeblue]

It’s a numbers game with severity versus transmissibility. Omicron could be half as severe as Delta, but if it’s 3 times as transmissible, you’d still end up with higher hospitalisation numbers by volume. I.e if 100,000 delta cases caused 1,000 people to be hospitalised. Omicron would result in 300,000 cases with 1,500 being hospitalised, in the same time frame.

These numbers are made up, to illustrate. Hopefully this week we should start to see UK data on hospitalisations.



Think that’s false. Sure I remember reading that average stay in hospital for a Covid patient was 2 week, and it will be more for severe cases / those that end in death, cos it’s the Covid-caused pneumonia that does for most people.

EDIt: correction. I think average stay overall was 7 days, but for those who ended up in ICU average stay was 14 days.

One good thing about SA hospitalisations with this new variant so far is the length of average hospital stay which is currently estimated to be 3 days. Younger population so it could be higher over here.

 

[TN Toffee]

How quickly could someone even get 3 doses if they are on zero now? Isn't it something like 6 weeks between the first two and then 3 months before the third?

Some anti vaxxers are going to be stuck on this Island.

Nah. Florida will always be happy to have them. They’ve even been actively recruiting anti-vaxx police who may have been fired from their previous job in another state for refusing to get vaccinated.

 

[BlueToff]

One of the reasons Omicron is being hyped so hard, despite actually quite encouraging preliminary data, is that it provides all of the 'authorities' who'll benefit most from another round of vaccination, the opportunity to strip the double-jabbed of their fully vaccinated status.

They'll keep jabbing people over the coming months, potentially four or five times until infections start to naturally wain in the Spring anyway, and then we'll hear all about how successful another few rounds of vaccinations have been.

It's so obvious. I'd laugh if thousands of people won't be injuried (or worse) again in the process.

Why would any government want to hurt people through vaccinations mate?

I mean look, I think it's ridiculous with all this enforced stuff and now what the EU are doing, but I also don't think it's some conspiracy.

 

[grandjoeblue]

I don't know what systematic way you mean when this thing has an R rate of 4 though?

You can't contain that

A lad I know works in an office with 11 other people. 10 of them caught the new variant from being in the same office for 1 day. Almost 100% transmission rate.