Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[mill]

Still trying to reconcile how the Tories and the rest of the elite had numerous Christmas parties with no social distancing, mixing households, strangers and bubbles last year yet we all had to stay away from our families and friends, and not go to pubs, bars and restaurants to stay safe and protect ourselves?!?

How come they didn't have to protect themselves, and how can they be pissing themselves laughin about it a few days later?!

I'm not anti vax, pro vax anything, but believe people should have a choice - I would just like the truth, but we're getting further and further away from that it seems.

It's all about money at the end of the day - they don't give a fig about us.

I think that’s more to do with their egos than anything else. Politicians have proven over and over again how stupid they are so let’s not read anything into it other than that.

Listen to ICU doctors. To front line health specialists. Listen to virologist and epidemiologists.

Do not look at the behaviour of politicians.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Listen to ICU doctors. To front line health specialists. Listen to virologist and epidemiologists.

Do not look at the behaviour of politicians.

The thing is, the government tell us these things via the experts, supposedly. All these decisions are made on the back of expert opinion.

So theoretically , the politicians are defying science , so why shouldn't we? Maybe the science isn't dictating these rules which then if it's political , and the political people don't believe in them , then they have no value and we shouldnt be following them either?

You see what I mean? The problem with having a prime minister communicating the rules to us is that they are the example, whether they are or aren't in the bigger picture. Rules have no value if those giving them don't follow them.

 

[efcfanwirral]

With all this talk of such a short doubling time - has anyone tried to look forward even a month or two? The one and only scenario I can see if its as transmissible as they say is that we will be in harsh lockdown until its essentially been eliminated via a variant vaccine, which may be more than one dose. Even if its mild, I doubt we'll ever get the chance to properly find out. Any easing and it'd spread so fast. Now I'm sceptical of these permanent doubling times of a couple of days myself.

I think we're in the denial phase again. I also think there'll be a press conference announcing lockdown some time before Friday, perhaps much earlier.

We're back to March 2020- they know there'll be a lockdown, we know there'll be a lockdown, so any delay is pretty pointless and makes it last longer in the end.

 

[mill]

The thing is, the government tell us these things via the experts, supposedly. All these decisions are made on the back of expert opinion.

So theoretically , the politicians are defying science , so why shouldn't we? Maybe the science isn't dictating these rules which then if it's political , and the political people don't believe in them , then they have no value and we shouldnt be following them either?

You see what I mean? The problem with having a prime minister communicating the rules to us is that they are the example, whether they are or aren't in the bigger picture. Rules have no value if those giving them don't follow them.

The fact that politicians are ignoring the rules says about their value systems and egos than it does about the rules themselves.

There is no virtue for locking an economy down unless necessary. Particularly from a politicians point of view. It’s a whole lot of pain for little upside.

These measures have been put in place globally, by a wide range of governments.

People break rules. Especially those in power who believe that they are above them.

To use politician behaviour as a barometer for anything is misguided to be honest. You only to look at the papers to see that.

But feel free to read what you want into it. Deffo fall on the side of the likes of Allegra Stratton who showed her utter contempt for people. That’s who you should be looking to as a role model for behaviour. Deffo.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Listen to ICU doctors. To front line health specialists. Listen to virologist and epidemiologists.

You know the thing to do. Don’t pay much attention to those graphs and figures, and don’t pay much attention to threads like these, people who post and live their life by the Corona. etc. Its where the worry comes from. Do what you need to do, have your jabs as recommended by the health professionals wear a mask as advised do the natural flows and go about and go about life accordingly. In reality, that’s all we can do, and need to do, everything else is fluff as far as far as I'm concerned. The amount of rubbish talked on the internet and media about this is enough to keep everyone scared to breath.

 

[Tubey]

With all this talk of such a short doubling time - has anyone tried to look forward even a month or two? The one and only scenario I can see if its as transmissible as they say is that we will be in harsh lockdown until its essentially been eliminated via a variant vaccine, which may be more than one dose. Even if its mild, I doubt we'll ever get the chance to properly find out. Any easing and it'd spread so fast. Now I'm sceptical of these permanent doubling times of a couple of days myself.

I think we're in the denial phase again. I also think there'll be a press conference announcing lockdown some time before Friday, perhaps much earlier.

We're back to March 2020- they know there'll be a lockdown, we know there'll be a lockdown, so any delay is pretty pointless and makes it last longer in the end.

There's a bit of a difference in that, still, absolutely no one has verifiably died from the Omicron variant. Not just here, worldwide.

I think you're right and they'll lockdown, but they won't do it based on any evidence IMO. They'll do it based on caseloads alone. Which is honestly shocking.

 

[efcfanwirral]

There's a bit of a difference in that, still, absolutely no one has verifiably died from the Omicron variant. Not just here, worldwide.

I think you're right and they'll lockdown, but they won't do it based on any evidence IMO. They'll do it based on caseloads alone. Which is honestly shocking.

Pretty much my thoughts too - I didn't clarify that it's more of a prediction than what I think will happen!

 

[ForeverBlue92]

There's a bit of a difference in that, still, absolutely no one has verifiably died from the Omicron variant. Not just here, worldwide.

I think you're right and they'll lockdown, but they won't do it based on any evidence IMO. They'll do it based on caseloads alone. Which is honestly shocking.

Because COVID has become as politicised as Brexit.

 

[JLW]

I died from it last week. I got better like.

Haha Them masks are wonderful aren't they

 

[BlueToff]

Have had similar issues mate. Pre getting covid I was training for a marathon and resting heart rate c48-52. I'm miles off former fitness so have to just start back a week at a time.

Good luck and stick at it

Cheers mate. Yeah I am doing, just very frustrating - mainly my cycling that took a hit and that was my endurance fitness. Like I've still only managed two 50+ km rides since August. Obviously now the weather/work doesn't help with that but I was doing 2-3 a week beforehand

 

[BlueToff]

A friend of mine has been getting heart palpitations. Where his heart rate suddenly sky rockets. He went the doctors and the doctor suggested that it's possibly been caused by covid. He had covid last year and the doctor said he's seen a lot of people with the same problems now occurring..

yeah that's what the doc said to me mate a few weeks back when I had a chest infection. I just asked him and described the issues I'd been having and he said yeah that it was a sign of long covid.

I mean, just as an Everton example - they were concerned the area around Godfrey's heart had inflamed so much he'd be susceptible to heart issues, when he had COVID. So it definitely seems to do something in that area.

 

[BlueToff]

With all this talk of such a short doubling time - has anyone tried to look forward even a month or two? The one and only scenario I can see if its as transmissible as they say is that we will be in harsh lockdown until its essentially been eliminated via a variant vaccine, which may be more than one dose. Even if its mild, I doubt we'll ever get the chance to properly find out. Any easing and it'd spread so fast. Now I'm sceptical of these permanent doubling times of a couple of days myself.

I think we're in the denial phase again. I also think there'll be a press conference announcing lockdown some time before Friday, perhaps much earlier.

We're back to March 2020- they know there'll be a lockdown, we know there'll be a lockdown, so any delay is pretty pointless and makes it last longer in the end.

There should be no lockdown because of how mild this is, and how the evidence is already there that a third jab/booster works towards preventing infection.

That's not denial, that's just based on the evidence we have so far from South Africa.

If Omicron becomes the dominant strain, which it seems set to do, it's probably a good thing as it's much less likely to put anyone (vaxxed or not) in hospital - but of course this is based on the data from elsewhere which is still in its early stages

 

[PhilM]

So they are now trying to scare everyone with 'there will be 200,000 cases of Omicron a day!'

Has anyone died due to Omicron yet?

No, but I think the concern now is that the NHS, which is still reeling from the impact of the last two years, could be engulfed by even non-lethal cases.

Any potential wave isn't going to be as lethal as last winter, but it doesn't mean that there won't be collateral deaths or serious harm as a by-product.

Mandate mask wearing, social distancing and really push more boosters (see the news about AZ efficiency - or lack of) are the best strategies.

It might be purely anecdotal, but I've heard of more cases in the last seven to day days than I've heard in a long, long time - if ever.

 

[Neiler]

“Possible Omicron” It either is or it isn’t, surely.

Not really mate, an antigen or PCR test wont tell you whether you have tested positive for Delta or Omicron, just that you have tested positive. While Delta and Omicron are both is the community its unlikely you will know what variant you have unless you use, genome sequencing —and you’re unlikely to get those results from your standard PCR test. Essentially all you will get is a positive or negative result, not what variant, until one becomes dominant and then you can make a reasonable assumption.

Anecdotally UK cases jumped yesterday, 50 -58k yesterday, so why that might be an anomaly, given the context you might also suggest that there is a fair degree of omicron already out there and in community transmission. Its inevitable really, its just the rate of growth now we can try to stem to protect services.

 

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