Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tipp blue]

Seen various sources saying 1m cases a day in the UK of the new variant before the end of December. Quite a lofty prediction considering South Africa are only on 22,000 cases per day and it started there.

You know what they say about modeling, if you put crap data into your system you'll get crap data out.. In Ireland we were told that there could be 700,000 cases between September and December this year, currently we are at 611,000 since the pandemic started.

 

[Tipp blue]

Those who have compromised immune system that I know can rest now as common sense indeed prevails, such measure increases their chance of living longer, selfish I know, but I like them in my life..

So they can die while never having lived.

 

[MikeH72]

So they can died while never having lived.

Doesn’t matter, at least they existed in the house and never saw anyone for their last 5 years.

 

[ArtetaMoney]

Does this data not provide more confusing assumptions that all people in hospital or dying, are unvaccinated?

A lad I used to work with passed away a few weeks ago from Covid. He was a healthy lad, no underlying conditions and was double jabbed. Fell in to a coma for a month before his body gave up. I know that’s only one case against many, but there are a lot of conflicting arguments / evidence that having the vaccine makes much difference.

I can see why people are against it.

 

[MikeH72]

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Does this data not provide more confusing assumptions that all people in hospital or dying, are unvaccinated?

A lad I used to work with passed away a few weeks ago from Covid. He was a healthy lad, no underlying conditions and was double jabbed. Fell in to a coma for a month before his body gave up. I know that’s only one case against many, but there are a lot of conflicting arguments / evidence that having the vaccine makes much difference.

I can see why people are against it.

Someone will be along to call you a right wing anti-vax stain on society in a bit.

 

[tsubaki]

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Does this data not provide more confusing assumptions that all people in hospital or dying, are unvaccinated?

A lad I used to work with passed away a few weeks ago from Covid. He was a healthy lad, no underlying conditions and was double jabbed. Fell in to a coma for a month before his body gave up. I know that’s only one case against many, but there are a lot of conflicting arguments / evidence that having the vaccine makes much difference.

I can see why people are against it.

What is that data actually from? I ask because it’s a bit different to the ONS format from the same sort of study conducted up to September this year:

Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England - Office for National Statistics

Weekly age-standardised mortality rates and age-specific rates for deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status; deaths occurring between 2 January and 24 September 2021 in England.

www.ons.gov.uk

 

[Tipp blue]

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Does this data not provide more confusing assumptions that all people in hospital or dying, are unvaccinated?

A lad I used to work with passed away a few weeks ago from Covid. He was a healthy lad, no underlying conditions and was double jabbed. Fell in to a coma for a month before his body gave up. I know that’s only one case against many, but there are a lot of conflicting arguments / evidence that having the vaccine makes much difference.

I can see why people are against it.

You sir are a right wing anti-vax stain on society.

 

[ArtetaMoney]

What is that data actually from? I ask because it’s a bit different to the ONS format from the same sort of study conducted up to September this year:

Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England - Office for National Statistics

Weekly age-standardised mortality rates and age-specific rates for deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status; deaths occurring between 2 January and 24 September 2021 in England.

www.ons.gov.uk

The data I posted is from end of Oct to Nov, though.

 

[tsubaki]

The data I posted is from end of Oct to Nov, though.

I mean what’s the actual source of it, it’s just a screenshot without context that can be checked.

I’ve done some digging though and think the data may be from this report here:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1037987/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-48.pdf

… which if so is pretty bad, as by posting that screenshot alone it has stripped out all the context in the report about why vaccines are important

 

[BlueToff]

In no way is this a surprise. Even though all of the data suggests Omricon is not serious at all if you're vaccinated/have immunity

 

[BlueToff]

They've just worked it out based on cases doubling each day. I don't know why they've stopped at a million. Maybe all 67m of us will get COVID each day by the end of January.

There's genuinely a theory that pretty much everybody will get Omricon because it is so infectious.

And that could be a good thing, because it doesn't have an effect on you if you're vaccinated and/or have immunity and/or healthy.

Like, it's a very, very, very mild illness. It literally has the coronavirus sequence that causes the common cold in it.

Now obviously, very early to judge, and it has to be baby steps. We don't want the virus mutating to be even more infectious and back to being deadly, but the signs are promising. Plus, viruses don't just do that. They mutate so their hosts live so they can reproduce and spread. So for a virus to mutate to something much less serious (as it is doing now) and then suddenly mutate back to being a definite killer for a percentage of people who catch it, would be unprecedented...

 

[MikeH72]

There's genuinely a theory that pretty much everybody will get Omricon because it is so infectious.

And that could be a good thing, because it doesn't have an effect on you if you're vaccinated and/or have immunity and/or healthy.

Like, it's a very, very, very mild illness. It literally has the coronavirus sequence that causes the common cold in it.

They don’t care if people get ill though. They only care about case numbers. We can’t allow them the power to impose whatever restrictions they want on us based solely on case numbers, because they’ll keep it going forever. Any businesses that they threaten to shut down should ignore them en masse.

 

[BlueToff]

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Does this data not provide more confusing assumptions that all people in hospital or dying, are unvaccinated?

A lad I used to work with passed away a few weeks ago from Covid. He was a healthy lad, no underlying conditions and was double jabbed. Fell in to a coma for a month before his body gave up. I know that’s only one case against many, but there are a lot of conflicting arguments / evidence that having the vaccine makes much difference.

I can see why people are against it.

the thing is, the vast majority of people in this country are vaccinated. The vast majority of older people in this country were fully vaccinated by early March.

That's why the figures are skewed. We're at what, 85% of adults or more that have had two doses?

 

[efcfanwirral]

the thing is, the vast majority of people in this country are vaccinated. The vast majority of older people in this country were fully vaccinated by early March.

That's why the figures are skewed. We're at what, 85% of adults or more that have had two doses?

I think the idea is that those 2 doses aren't enough now, and everyone needs a 3rd. And in a few months time....same again of course

 

[Deckard2049]

the thing is, the vast majority of people in this country are vaccinated. The vast majority of older people in this country were fully vaccinated by early March.

That's why the figures are skewed. We're at what, 85% of adults or more that have had two doses?

The issue raised from those figures is that the vaccines in their current form aren’t going to allow us to do away with restrictions.