Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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My wife started work as a Health Care Assistant a few weeks ago in our local hospital, having spent her entire working life in child care. She mentioned last week that they were seeing an increase in patients on her ward with Covid. So to find out more, and to maybe add something to this debate, I questioned her this evening on what the general feeling was amongst the other healthcare professionals etc. on the current situation. She said, and I quote:

“No idea really, all I do know is that there was a woman on my bay today who is a recovering alcoholic and last night the nurse gave her laxatives as her medication was giving her constipation, and I swear to God, she must have shiit the bed about 10 times today FFS”.

Now I know this doesn’t really add anything of importance to this thread, but I thought I’d share it….

Sounds like a typical grim day in the hospital mate!

Hope she's settling in well into her new job ( minus the crapping bit!) :)
 
I keep noticing how all the unhealthy overweight people in the media who probably can't run for more than ten minutes or lift anything heavier than a small cat also seem to be the ones insisting healthy people who control their weight & health through good food, will power & exercise HAVE to take an injection to keep THEM healthy.

Case in point: Andrew Neil


fairly sure there is a photo of Andrew Neil looking like he is, is about to or has been exercising, together with what may or may not be his personal trainer
 
You've managed to post from a few geographically interesting locations all within the same day.
It does make one wonder



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No officer, it is because I am an ex-pat, living in China and using a VPN! A real shill would not have such a low post count I don't think!

What possible conspiracy could I be involved with anyway?

All I ever said was that I disagree with vaccine mandates and continuous lockdowns! Is this really such a heretical position? I'm a deranged anti-vax, conspiracy theorist, working for a secret organization just because I disagree with the majority held opinion? A wise man once said:
"Madness is rare in individuals but in groups, parties and peoples it is the norm."

Btw QR codes and the government tracking everyone's every movement here in China! Do people not have to ask themselves if that's really worth it in the long run?

Anyway, can't spend my life going round and round in circles on this as I do have real work to be getting on with!

Whatever the truth may be, it will all come out eventually so let's hope everything will work out okay. The real danger IMO is not even COVID but the nutters in the US state department getting us into war with Russia/China next...

Anyhoo...
 
Stuck out for me when Chris whitty was going through his data yesterday and all his graphs for deaths / hospitalisations were clearly decreasing.

Surprised nobody else made a noise about that, the data they presented was the opposite of justification for restrictions!

Omicron is expected to reduce hospitalisation to a lower proportion of cases anc let's hope it does. The caveat to that sentence is this virus has always been seen first in those people who are generally younger who are out and about and we know already, most likely to suffer only mild illness, immune compromised people tend to be less out and about this avoid the initial wave.

Whatever the outcome on hospitalisation on immune compromised or not. If cases rise exponentially, will still unfortunately result in a problem for our hospitals. This is most easily solved by vaccination, however, vaccinations alone are just simply insufficient, and hence the introduction of some social restrictions will be needed to try and avoid exponentially rises.
 
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Stuck out for me when Chris whitty was going through his data yesterday and all his graphs for deaths / hospitalisations were clearly decreasing.

Surprised nobody else made a noise about that, the data they presented was the opposite of justification for restrictions!

It wasn’t. The justification was rising case numbers, and the increased transmissibility of Omicron. I.E case numbers are now rising, Omicron is expected to replace Delta as the dominant variant, and the virus will transmit upwards through age cohorts.

You’re right that hospitalisations have just been on a downwards trend, but the lag of 2-3 weeks between rising case numbers and hospitalisations, means we’d expect that to go back up in the next couple of weeks.

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Here’s the cases / hospitalisations slide they presented, where the green cases decrease maps to the green hospitalisation decrease ( 2-3 week lag). The blue increase maps across, then the red decrease. There’s then a new (yellow) cases increase, which hasn’t yet materialised into hospitalisation increases, but we should expect that to start going up now. The concern is that the new increase could be exponential due to Omicron.

It looks pretty hopeful at this point that omicron will be a useful mutation in terms of reduced severity, and it’s definitely possible the new restrictions are over cautious, given what we know so far. But I can understand the reasoning, given every time they’ve brought in previous restrictions they did it weeks too late.

TLDR: decision could well be over cautious, but doesn’t contradict the totality of the dataset.
 
They are gearing up for January restrictions or a lockdown. This is all about trying to normalise this to make it an annual thing. It's not proportionate at all, and it's not the public's job long term to stay indoors to help the health service. It's not a moral duty.

I'm fed up seeing governments bringing in rules just to look like they are doing something. And any "expert" calling for a lockdown needs to get a grip and should be ignored.
 
It wasn’t. The justification was rising case numbers, and the increased transmissibility of Omicron. I.E case numbers are now rising, Omicron is expected to replace Delta as the dominant variant, and the virus will transmit upwards through age cohorts.

You’re right that hospitalisations have just been on a downwards trend, but the lag of 2-3 weeks between rising case numbers and hospitalisations, means we’d expect that to go back up in the next couple of weeks.

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Here’s the cases / hospitalisations slide they presented, where the green cases decrease maps to the green hospitalisation decrease ( 2-3 week lag). The blue increase maps across, then the red decrease. There’s then a new (yellow) cases increase, which hasn’t yet materialised into hospitalisation increases, but we should expect that to start going up now. The concern is that the new increase could be exponential due to Omicron.

It looks pretty hopeful at this point that omicron will be a useful mutation in terms of reduced severity, and it’s definitely possible the new restrictions are over cautious, given what we know so far. But I can understand the reasoning, given every time they’ve brought in previous restrictions they did it weeks too late.

TLDR: decision could well be over cautious, but doesn’t contradict the totality of the dataset.
I have noticed for a good while now since this variant was discovered that we seem to have gone from a society that demands evidence to one that is twisting evidence to a negative connotation. Go back 9 months ago and numbers dropping after the winter would be seen as a positive, now it seems it's a negative with could/may/possibly constantly being used to explain something worse. I'm not niaeve to think that numbers won't increase with the winter because they will.

But a drop in figures in the run up to now is a good sign , it means everything in terms of jabs is finally working, again clear evidence of it.

Just generally , I've not read hundreds of them but every opinion or verdict about the new variant has been positive, except for ones from this country. Only British seem to pull negative from the data when other scientists are pulling positive , albiet with a too soon to tell disclaimer still.

Just seems to be a British thing, even when it's good , people want to look for the bad. It's fine to be cautious , we should be looking for the wins though not the potential losses that have not yet happened.
 
They are gearing up for January restrictions or a lockdown. This is all about trying to normalise this to make it an annual thing. It's not proportionate at all, and it's not the public's job long term to stay indoors to help the health service. It's not a moral duty.

I'm fed up seeing governments bringing in rules just to look like they are doing something. And any "expert" calling for a lockdown needs to get a grip and should be ignored.
Those who have compromised immune system that I know can rest now as common sense indeed prevails, such measure increases their chance of living longer, selfish I know, but I like them in my life..
 
They are gearing up for January restrictions or a lockdown. This is all about trying to normalise this to make it an annual thing. It's not proportionate at all, and it's not the public's job long term to stay indoors to help the health service. It's not a moral duty.

I'm fed up seeing governments bringing in rules just to look like they are doing something. And any "expert" calling for a lockdown needs to get a grip and should be ignored.
Yep whatever happens this year happens next by default. Pre 2020 life isn't coming back for a long time if ever., We just have to hope what does happen isn't too damaging to businesses (so some financial help and not a 7 month set of restrictions again)
 
Those who have compromised immune system that I know can rest now as common sense indeed prevails, such measure increases their chance of living longer, selfish I know, but I like them in my life..
A full lockdown and some sort of ban on household mixing is the only thing that could let them rest. Probably a permanent one...
 
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