Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[COYBL25]

 

[RAFUH]

I sincerely hope you are right.

But he wouldn't be the first to mention heart problems with the vaccines such side effects have been reported by other apparently reputable sources.




I don't have a clue either way (and let's face it neither do you) about the potential dangers of these vaccines (someone could equally be pushing vaccine hesitancy) but I don't think we should just blindly accept whatever the media (or their media fact-checkers) and the government and the media it controls, tell us! These media fact-checkers are busy flagging anything and anyone that oppose their mainstream narratives and they have plenty of potential incentives for doing so.

This is the same media after all that just recently dupped the western world into believing that Kyle Rittenhouse was a murdering white supremacist when anyone who has actually watched the trial or read the trial transcript knows this was an entirely fictitious media narrative (one of only many) and that the "not guilty" verdict was in fact correct.

The neoliberal/neoconservative press is still now clinging to this fiction despite the fact Rittenhouse was fully acquitted by a jury!

This case should have opened people's eyes to the frightening politicization, not only of the violent mobs of rioters but also the media and judiciary that is constantly attempting to push these divisive and distracting false narratives upon its western audience. Ask most Guardian readers and they most will tell you even now that Kyle Rittenhouse was some kind of NeoNazi race murderer!

Go back even further to Libya, Syria, Iraq Afghanistan, the war on terrorism, etc. and why on earth would we trust these governments, this media, on anything they tell us?

I have had my vaccine but I still think vaccine mandates and vaccine passports are indeed a catastrophe and step towards a tyrannical "new normal" that people may only come to fully understand and comprehend when it is already too late.

Do we really want to give our governments the power to string these lockdowns and vaccine mandates out indefinitely in the hope they will just give all these powers back again afterwards?

Is it really likely they will do this giving that post 911, western democratic freedoms have imperceptibly been whittled away piece by little piece by utilizing the politics of fear and terrorism?

A vaccine is now being mandated across the globe with those who refuse to comply to be locked up inside their homes losing their liberty and livelihoods because these infected souls will be a danger to those of us who have had this highly effective vaccine (requiring continuous boosters) when we can quite very obviously still catch and transmit this virus ourselves anyway despite supposedly being protected by the short-lasting vaccine?

And let's take a wild guess here, but after going on this course of potentially lifelong mandated vaccines (with possible adverse consequences) will we not be informed sometime in the future that the only reason the vaccines we were forced to take were not effective, after all, is because in the meantime a new super-duper scary variant has materialized requiring more lockdowns and another modified vaccine that doesn't really work very well, because in the meantime yet another super-upper-duper scary variant has materialized requiring more modified vaccines and more lockdowns?

And is Kennedy (who knows a thing or two about political conspiracies) not quite right when he says that all tyrannies are founded upon the politicization and the weaponization of fear?

I hope to God I am wrong about this I really do, but I really do have a bad feeling about this situation and the people in power.

"A US policy think tank as early as 2000 in a publication titled, “Rebuilding America’s Defense” (PDF), a virtual blueprint of the plans and means the US sought to utilize toward achieving global hegemony, would make particular note of bioweapons and the use of genotype-specific weapons, stating:

Although it may take several decades for the process of transformation to unfold, in time, the art of warfare on air, land, and sea will be vastly different than it is today, and “combat” likely will take place in new dimensions: in space, “cyber-space,” and perhaps the world of microbes…

…advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."

These are not the words of conspiracy theorists but Neoconservatives in their own words.

You've managed to post from a few geographically interesting locations all within the same day.
It does make one wonder

 

[tsubaki]

You've managed to post from a few geographically interesting locations all within the same day.
It does make one wonder

mods can track us?

*flees brothel*

 

[Walken]

Any sign of thee bbc's hero super sunak offering support to hospitality anything tricky time?

 

[RAFUH]

It will but the more lethal a virus typically the less it spreads as it pretty much kills the host before it can spread that far out.

Yes and no. Something can have a very high fatality rate, but insidious onset. Look at HIV in the 1980 and 90s before we had effective therapies.
It's still not technically survivable. We are just able to suppress the virus sufficiently.

 

[Tubey]

The World Health Organization said Thursday that preliminary data indicates hospitalizations in South Africa remain low, offering "signs of hope," despite the fact that the omicron variant is spreading rapidly and weekly COVID-19 cases on the African continent have surged by 93%.

In the week ending on Dec. 5, southern Africa recorded a 140% hike in COVID-19 cases, the highest of any region on the continent for that period, mainly driven by an uptick in South Africa, according to the WHO. While researchers are still working to determine whether omicron is fueling the surge, the WHO said that emerging data from South Africa indicates the new variant may cause less severe illness. Data on COVID-19 hospitalizations across South Africa between Nov. 14 and Dec. 4 show that intensive care unit occupancy was only 6.3%, which the WHO said is very low compared with the same period when the country was facing the peak linked to the delta variant in July.

Omicron live updates: 'Signs of hope' as hospitalizations remain low in South Africa

As the COVID-19 pandemic has swept the globe, more than 5.2 million people have died from the disease worldwide, including over 793,000 Americans.

abcnews.go.com

Rather than restrictions, we should be doing the exact opposite IMO. It's a golden opportunity to see off Delta completely.

 

[RAFUH]

mods can track us?

*flees brothel*

That's the least interesting or unusual place we'd find GOTers

 

[ToffeeTim]

The World Health Organization said Thursday that preliminary data indicates hospitalizations in South Africa remain low, offering "signs of hope," despite the fact that the omicron variant is spreading rapidly and weekly COVID-19 cases on the African continent have surged by 93%.

In the week ending on Dec. 5, southern Africa recorded a 140% hike in COVID-19 cases, the highest of any region on the continent for that period, mainly driven by an uptick in South Africa, according to the WHO. While researchers are still working to determine whether omicron is fueling the surge, the WHO said that emerging data from South Africa indicates the new variant may cause less severe illness. Data on COVID-19 hospitalizations across South Africa between Nov. 14 and Dec. 4 show that intensive care unit occupancy was only 6.3%, which the WHO said is very low compared with the same period when the country was facing the peak linked to the delta variant in July.

Omicron live updates: 'Signs of hope' as hospitalizations remain low in South Africa

As the COVID-19 pandemic has swept the globe, more than 5.2 million people have died from the disease worldwide, including over 793,000 Americans.

abcnews.go.com

Rather than restrictions, we should be doing the exact opposite IMO. It's a golden opportunity to see off Delta completely.

Maybe I'm misguided, but surely having the predominant strain become a less severe variant, is a good thing?

I'm completely lost by all the hysteria over this Omicron.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

mods can track us?

*flees brothel*

lol

 

[Tubey]

Maybe I'm misguided, but surely having the predominant strain become a less severe variant, is a good thing?

I'm completely lost by all the hysteria over this Omicron.

You'd think so, but I have to assume the caution is because they're not sure yet it is less severe, even though there's ample evidence of it now.

You have to hope that's the case anyway because the alternative is they're absolutely bloody insane.

 

[Tubey]

P.S. daily reminder it's now been nearly a month and a half since Omicron started circulating and zero deaths, anywhere in the world.

 

[COYBL25]

You'd think so, but I have to assume the caution is because they're not sure yet it is less severe, even though there's ample evidence of it now.

You have to hope that's the case anyway because the alternative is they're absolutely bloody insane.

Or there is an ulterior motive ?

 

[LinekersLegs]

The World Health Organization said Thursday that preliminary data indicates hospitalizations in South Africa remain low, offering "signs of hope," despite the fact that the omicron variant is spreading rapidly and weekly COVID-19 cases on the African continent have surged by 93%.

In the week ending on Dec. 5, southern Africa recorded a 140% hike in COVID-19 cases, the highest of any region on the continent for that period, mainly driven by an uptick in South Africa, according to the WHO. While researchers are still working to determine whether omicron is fueling the surge, the WHO said that emerging data from South Africa indicates the new variant may cause less severe illness. Data on COVID-19 hospitalizations across South Africa between Nov. 14 and Dec. 4 show that intensive care unit occupancy was only 6.3%, which the WHO said is very low compared with the same period when the country was facing the peak linked to the delta variant in July.

Omicron live updates: 'Signs of hope' as hospitalizations remain low in South Africa

As the COVID-19 pandemic has swept the globe, more than 5.2 million people have died from the disease worldwide, including over 793,000 Americans.

abcnews.go.com

Rather than restrictions, we should be doing the exact opposite IMO. It's a golden opportunity to see off Delta completely.

Omicron seems it will outcompete Delta regardless of restrictions.

Haven’t seen any modeling on it but suspect all dropping restrictions would do is give Delta more opportunities to infect people before it was pushed aside and that would swamp any benefits from some getting Omicron vs Delta. Especially when add in that Omicron still will land some people in hospital.

Interesting mathematical scenario though and presume someone will flesh it out.

 

[Tubey]

Omicron seems it will outcompete Delta regardless of restrictions.

Haven’t seen any modeling on it but suspect all dropping restrictions would do is give Delta more opportunities to infect people before it was pushed aside and that would swamp any benefits from some getting Omicron vs Delta. Especially when add in that Omicron still will land some people in hospital.

Interesting mathematical scenario though and presume someone will flesh it out.

Delta hospitalisations/deaths had been dropping before Plan B because of vaccine rollout and caseloads weren't having a substantial impact on those numbers at all.

There was no need whatsoever for any restrictions. Convinced of it. No matter what way I look at the data I can't find an ounce of scientific justification for it. There's justification if you want to suppress it completely but that means an actual lockdown - half-arsing everything does nothing.

 

[Tipp blue]

Delta hospitalisations/deaths had been dropping before Plan B because of vaccine rollout and caseloads weren't having a substantial impact on those numbers at all.

There was no need whatsoever for any restrictions. Convinced of it. No matter what way I look at the data I can't find an ounce of scientific justification for it. There's justification if you want to suppress it completely but that means an actual lockdown - half-arsing everything does nothing.

I'm 100% certain that restrictions were introduced to get the media reporting on restrictions and take the heat off the Number 10 parties.