Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Prevenger17]

I sincerely hope you are right.

But he wouldn't be the first to mention heart problems with the vaccines such side effects have been reported by other apparently reputable sources.




I don't have a clue either way (and let's face it neither do you) about the potential dangers of these vaccines (someone could equally be pushing vaccine hesitancy) but I don't think we should just blindly accept whatever the media (or their media fact-checkers) and the government and the media it controls, tell us! These media fact-checkers are busy flagging anything and anyone that oppose their mainstream narratives and they have plenty of potential incentives for doing so.

This is the same media after all that just recently dupped the western world into believing that Kyle Rittenhouse was a murdering white supremacist when anyone who has actually watched the trial or read the trial transcript knows this was an entirely fictitious media narrative (one of only many) and that the "not guilty" verdict was in fact correct.

The neoliberal/neoconservative press is still now clinging to this fiction despite the fact Rittenhouse was fully acquitted by a jury!

This case should have opened people's eyes to the frightening politicization, not only of the violent mobs of rioters but also the media and judiciary that is constantly attempting to push these divisive and distracting false narratives upon its western audience. Ask most Guardian readers and they most will tell you even now that Kyle Rittenhouse was some kind of NeoNazi race murderer!

Go back even further to Libya, Syria, Iraq Afghanistan, the war on terrorism, etc. and why on earth would we trust these governments, this media, on anything they tell us?

I have had my vaccine but I still think vaccine mandates and vaccine passports are indeed a catastrophe and step towards a tyrannical "new normal" that people may only come to fully understand and comprehend when it is already too late.

Do we really want to give our governments the power to string these lockdowns and vaccine mandates out indefinitely in the hope they will just give all these powers back again afterwards?

Is it really likely they will do this giving that post 911, western democratic freedoms have imperceptibly been whittled away piece by little piece by utilizing the politics of fear and terrorism?

A vaccine is now being mandated across the globe with those who refuse to comply to be locked up inside their homes losing their liberty and livelihoods because these infected souls will be a danger to those of us who have had this highly effective vaccine (requiring continuous boosters) when we can quite very obviously still catch and transmit this virus ourselves anyway despite supposedly being protected by the short-lasting vaccine?

And let's take a wild guess here, but after going on this course of potentially lifelong mandated vaccines (with possible adverse consequences) will we not be informed sometime in the future that the only reason the vaccines we were forced to take were not effective, after all, is because in the meantime a new super-duper scary variant has materialized requiring more lockdowns and another modified vaccine that doesn't really work very well, because in the meantime yet another super-upper-duper scary variant has materialized requiring more modified vaccines and more lockdowns?

And is Kennedy (who knows a thing or two about political conspiracies) not quite right when he says that all tyrannies are founded upon the politicization and the weaponization of fear?

I hope to God I am wrong about this I really do, but I really do have a bad feeling about this situation and the people in power.

"A US policy think tank as early as 2000 in a publication titled, “Rebuilding America’s Defense” (PDF), a virtual blueprint of the plans and means the US sought to utilize toward achieving global hegemony, would make particular note of bioweapons and the use of genotype-specific weapons, stating:

Although it may take several decades for the process of transformation to unfold, in time, the art of warfare on air, land, and sea will be vastly different than it is today, and “combat” likely will take place in new dimensions: in space, “cyber-space,” and perhaps the world of microbes…

…advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."

These are not the words of conspiracy theorists but Neoconservatives in their own words.

Lol

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I know. I was on the wind up last night as I was drunk. Got a new bourbon that was very nice.

Sorry @BlueToff, I was just being silly.

@peteblue will be proud lol

 

[ToffeeTim]

but it is ambiguous, or Aus wouldn't have just had players for the Ashes do two weeks in quarantine?

And there has to be other, easier ways if people absolutely have to do 10 days?

Tests to release to quarantine at home? It's all very doable.

The Western Australia government seem very unreasonable. I'm glad i don't live in Perth.

 

[BlueToff]

@mill no worries lol

 

[Ghost Rider]

When was Christmas ever off?

Have tuned off from the media over this no longer a public health story just politicised rubbish.

This morning it is the headline 'the next pandemic could be worse than covid'.

Lovely scaremongering stuff.

 

[BlueToff]

Seems a bit daft to make the announcement so soon, you'd imagine they want to avoid another U turn so why not wait a week or two until the next review?

There are some signs that the vaccine works relatively well against the new variant but it's still very transmissible.

But they were never locking down over Xmas anyway

And rightly so

Nothing should be closing, nothing should be restricted numbers wise. Keep wearing a mask where you're meant to and then get on with it and keep the vaccine roll out going. That should be the only approach.

 

[BlueToff]

Asked if the UK was closer to the start of the pandemic than the end, Prof Paul Hunter tells BBC Breakfast he "wouldn't necessarily agree totally with that".

"I think this virus is around [and] going to be around forever," he says.

"The last time we had a big coronavirus outbreak we think was 130 years ago and that virus is still circulating, we get infected with it fairly regularly, every three to six years, and it basically just causes the common cold.

"That is likely the way that this pandemic is going, so we will be repeatedly infected with Covid, we will be repeatedly infected with new variants but by and large, they'll just be another cause of the common cold."

Covid: Javid confirms community spread of Omicron

Health Secretary Sajid Javid says the new coronavirus variant is spreading "in multiple regions of England".

www.bbc.co.uk

Just for anyone who thinks we should keep having measures 'while this thing is still around'

 

[grandjoeblue]

This morning it is the headline 'the next pandemic could be worse than covid'.

Lovely scaremongering stuff.

It's a bit of a strange story that one because it's obvious really. If you combined ebola with COVID spread for example the world would be in a really bad place.

 

[Ghost Rider]

It's a bit of a strange story that one because it's obvious really. If you combined ebola with COVID spread for example the world would be in a really bad place.

Like I have said before its fear mongering and preying on people's worst fears. That's why it amazes me that as things have got better, with vaccines, hospital cases and now even medicine to come, some people want to maintain the 'its going to get worse' element.

I'm sure I will be corrected but has there ever been a coronavirus outbreak in our modern history that has got worse? Have we seen something mutate worse and become more lethal? Even the flu at its worst variant became what it is today.

There won't be another pandemic level virus until China decide to make it and release it again (ducks for cover) ?

 

[grandjoeblue]

Like I have said before its fear mongering and preying on people's worst fears. That's why it amazes me that as things have got better, with vaccines, hospital cases and now even medicine to come, some people want to maintain the 'its going to get worse' element.

I'm sure I will be corrected but has there ever been a coronavirus outbreak in our modern history that has got worse? Have we seen something mutate worse and become more lethal? Even the flu at its worst variant became what it is today.

There won't be another pandemic level virus until China decide to make it and release it again (ducks for cover) ?

Doesn't that story relate to another virus rather than a COVID variant though? Another virus will happen at some point.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Doesn't that story relate to another virus rather than a COVID variant though? Another virus will happen at some point.

It will but the more lethal a virus typically the less it spreads as it pretty much kills the host before it can spread that far out.

Its essentially why SARS died out as it was much more deadlier than COVID - 1 out of 3 people with SARS certainly couldn't carry it without knowing/having just the sniffles.

 

[Neiler]

Asked if the UK was closer to the start of the pandemic than the end, Prof Paul Hunter tells BBC Breakfast he "wouldn't necessarily agree totally with that".

"I think this virus is around [and] going to be around forever," he says.

"The last time we had a big coronavirus outbreak we think was 130 years ago and that virus is still circulating, we get infected with it fairly regularly, every three to six years, and it basically just causes the common cold.

"That is likely the way that this pandemic is going, so we will be repeatedly infected with Covid, we will be repeatedly infected with new variants but by and large, they'll just be another cause of the common cold."

Covid: Javid confirms community spread of Omicron

Health Secretary Sajid Javid says the new coronavirus variant is spreading "in multiple regions of England".

www.bbc.co.uk

Just for anyone who thinks we should keep having measures 'while this thing is still around'

One of the features of Omicron is that it has combined with parts of the common cold, its one of the mutations, that perhaps leads to the increased transmissibility and perhaps the antibody escape in reinfection as it can tell our bodies its the common cold, it may perhaps also mean that the impact of the infection may be that bit milder. But everyone still feeling their way in the dark a fair bit.

 

[tsubaki]

Asked if the UK was closer to the start of the pandemic than the end, Prof Paul Hunter tells BBC Breakfast he "wouldn't necessarily agree totally with that".

"I think this virus is around [and] going to be around forever," he says.

"The last time we had a big coronavirus outbreak we think was 130 years ago and that virus is still circulating, we get infected with it fairly regularly, every three to six years, and it basically just causes the common cold.

"That is likely the way that this pandemic is going, so we will be repeatedly infected with Covid, we will be repeatedly infected with new variants but by and large, they'll just be another cause of the common cold."

Covid: Javid confirms community spread of Omicron

Health Secretary Sajid Javid says the new coronavirus variant is spreading "in multiple regions of England".

www.bbc.co.uk

Just for anyone who thinks we should keep having measures 'while this thing is still around'

We are not 130 years away from this pandemic, and when this isn’t killing hundreds of people a week is when we can start to look at removing restrictions.

Even then though it surely has to be the case that there has to be learning from this, so that when this happens again (and it’s not scaremongering to say it will) we are better prepared for it, and don’t condemn so many of our fellow citizens to death. We’ve got to get better at detecting this sort of thing, and then stopping it.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Doesn't that story relate to another virus rather than a COVID variant though? Another virus will happen at some point.

Yeah it does, i said coronavirus as the generical term rather than covid specifically. Hence the scare mongering, another virus will come out and be worse than this, but we don't know what , when or why it will happen.

Clearly some truth in it but no need to run it as a headline when it isn't even guess work. It is pure and simple running a doomsday style headline to prey on people's worst fears. There will be another pandemic in humanity, because there have been them before. That is the thing with viruses, if nobody has any immunity to them, they are deadly to everyone!

 

[Tubey]

Has this killed or even hospitalised anyone yet?

Genuine question, haven't been keeping track last few days.