Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[mill]

but they didn't know the risk in this case did they?

South Africa wasn't on the amber list for example? It literally went from being fine to being on the red list in the space of 24 hours.

Mate, it is not right. Look at what you're saying. You're saying people should have to fork out thousands of pounds to pay for what is essentially a prison cell and, to boot, they should get crap to eat too, all for the audacity of daring to go away?

Nah, I don't agree at all. There's no reason why 2-day or 2 and 4-day testing to release couldn't be done. We're two years into this. If you test negative on a PCR 2 days after arriving into the country - guess what, you haven't got friggin COVID.

What about someone who lives abroad and their country happens to turn red list just before they're due back here or something?

And this isn't exclusive to the UK, it's every country. Your flippant response shows what ludicrous things this has done to people's minds.

It’s not flippant. I’m tired of entitlement. I’m sorry that people’s holidays are spoilt and that but we are in the midst ot a pandemic and people are dying.

I’m sorry if I have little sympathy for a millionaire and his disgruntlement at the cuisine served.

Going away during a pandemic is going to be expensive. There are going to be risks. That’s the reality. People make their choices on a risk and reward basis. Don’t moan about it when the risk becomes a reality. It’s a choice.

 

[BlueToff]

It’s not flippant. I’m tired of entitlement. I’m sorry that people’s holidays are spoilt and that but we are in the midst ot a pandemic and people are dying.

I’m sorry if I have little sympathy for a millionaire and his disgruntlement at the cuisine served.

Going away during a pandemic is going to be expensive. There are going to be risks. That’s the reality. People make their choices on a risk and reward basis. Don’t moan about it when the risk becomes a reality. It’s a choice.

It's not about that. It's about having to be locked in a hotel room for 10 days because you had the audacity to go away to a place that then changed overnight, and have to pay thousands of quid for it and then don't even get the basic human right of a decent meal.

It's not about the actor in person.

Btw, people will be dying of COVID for years to come. Honestly, just get a grip if you're thinking this should be carrying on this time next year, or in 2023?

All I'm suggesting is locking people up in a hotel for 10 days is ludicrous when you can easily do 2 and 4-day tests.

Also, not all people who travel don't do it for holidays. Loads do it for work. So it is necessary.

 

[tsubaki]

Oh look. An actor trying to get involved in economics.

I’m going to guess that the controls in place at quarantine hotel are probably a bit more stringent than another one. Or that Gatwick is going to be more expensive than a hotel at an industrial park.

But yeah, sorry it’s not a Michelin star restaurant.

IIRC there is no difference in cost between a hotel in Gatwick and a hotel in Birmingham or Bristol, and to be fair people are paying two grand plus for individuals (or £3700 for a couple in one room, which gives you an idea of how much the food and tests are being overpriced) for the privilege. At that price, it should be a Michelin star restaurant and all the rest of the trimmings, not some dingy pit where everyone is confined to their room and the halls are patrolled by sub-minimum wage agency drones seconded to G4S.

The government has basically given the likes of G4S yet more licence to rob money; I mean much of what they are charging is clearly not going on the hotel, the food, the staff or the tests (given what we know those things cost). Its probably yet another hugely profitable experience for the executives.

I only hope many of the residents of these places remember the experience of what life under outsourcing is really like, decide to find out more about these firms scams and start to hold the politicians responsible to account.

 

[mill]

It's not about that. It's about having to be locked in a hotel room for 10 days because you had the audacity to go away to a place that then changed overnight, and have to pay thousands of quid for it and then don't even get the basic human right of a decent meal.

It's not about the actor in person.

Btw, people will be dying of COVID for years to come. Honestly, just get a grip

All I'm suggesting is locking people up in a hotel for 10 days is ludicrous when you can easily do 2 and 4-day tests.

Also, not all people who travel don't do it for holidays. Loads do it for work. So it is necessary.

I don’t need to get a grip. I’m just looking at it rationally. There was a fairly high probability that something like this might happen. And you decide whether it’s worth the risk.

As a business does. It’s a risk reward decision. A cost benefit analysis.

If you aren’t discounting that risk atm you’re either stupid or naive.

Don’t moan about it after the fact.

 

[BlueToff]

I don’t need to get a grip. I’m just looking at it rationally. There was a fairly high probability that something like this might happen. And you decide whether it’s worth the risk.

As a business does. It’s a risk reward decision. A cost benefit analysis.

If you aren’t discounting that risk atm you’re either stupid or naive.

Don’t moan about it after the fact.

sorry I've edidted my post as realised I missed it out - get a grip if you think this should be happening in 2022 and 2023 and 2024 when people are still dying from COVID?

What do you mean? South Africa wasn't high risk. And then within 24 hours it was.

A businesses might have thousands to play with. What about a family of four who decides to go away for the first time in 2 years and then has to fork out £10,000!!!! for a hotel? Why? There's no need, is there? Absolutely no need at all.

It can all be done very simply with 2 and 4-day release PCR tests, if that's in a hotel or at home.

And yes, they should get the right to decent food while that happens.

 

[BlueToff]

IIRC there is no difference in cost between a hotel in Gatwick and a hotel in Birmingham or Bristol, and to be fair people are paying two grand plus for individuals (or £3700 for a couple in one room, which gives you an idea of how much the food and tests are being overpriced) for the privilege. At that price, it should be a Michelin star restaurant and all the rest of the trimmings, not some dingy pit where everyone is confined to their room and the halls are patrolled by sub-minimum wage agency drones seconded to G4S.

The government has basically given the likes of G4S yet more licence to rob money; I mean much of what they are charging is clearly not going on the hotel, the food, the staff or the tests (given what we know those things cost). Its probably yet another hugely profitable experience for the executives.

I only hope many of the residents of these places remember the experience of what life under outsourcing is really like, decide to find out more about these firms scams and start to hold the politicians responsible to account.

We don't agree on a lot but I cannot imagine how Mill is thinking people should be treated like scum for having the audacity to go away. It could be so easily done and 10-day isolation shouldn't be a thing. You've got your 2-day before travel back to the UK test anyway, then you could have 2 PCR tests within the first 4 days. That's more than enough 2 years into the pandemic especially if the people in question are fully vaccinated

 

[mill]

sorry I've edidted my post as realised I missed it out - get a grip if you think this should be happening in 2022 and 2023 and 2024 when people are still dying from COVID?

What do you mean? South Africa wasn't high risk. And then within 24 hours it was.

A businesses might have thousands to play with. What about a family of four who decides to go away for the first time in 2 years and then has to fork out £10,000!!!! for a hotel? Why? There's no need, is there? Absolutely no need at all.

It can all be done very simply with 2 and 4-day release PCR tests, if that's in a hotel or at home.

And yes, they should get the right to decent food while that happens.

I chose not to go on holiday this year because a) I knew it would be expensive and b) given restrictions brought in last year I knew there was a risk of them being brought in again.

I also knew there was a chance I could get covid and need to quarantine.

And I decided it wasn’t worth the risk.

I’m also pragmatic enough to know the logistics around something like a quarantine hotel are going to increase the costs of everything. So whilst, all things being equal, you would usually expect ‘fat duck’ levels of quality and service for that price. The fact duck doesn’t have the same logistical issues in place that a quarantine hotel will.

 

[mill]

We don't agree on a lot but I cannot imagine how Mill is thinking people should be treated like scum for having the audacity to go away. It could be so easily done and 10-day isolation shouldn't be a thing. You've got your 2-day before travel back to the UK test anyway, then you could have 2 PCR tests within the first 4 days. That's more than enough 2 years into the pandemic especially if the people in question are fully vaccinated

Treated like scum? Jesus Christ.

I’m saying people knew the risk. It’s their own fault for choosing to take that risk. Don’t moan about it now.

Reeks of entitlement.

 

[RAFUH]

 

[tsubaki]

We don't agree on a lot but I cannot imagine how Mill is thinking people should be treated like scum for having the audacity to go away. It could be so easily done and 10-day isolation shouldn't be a thing. You've got your 2-day before travel back to the UK test anyway, then you could have 2 PCR tests within the first 4 days. That's more than enough 2 years into the pandemic especially if the people in question are fully vaccinated

It isn’t - especially with things like new variants there might always be a need to have 10 days of isolation. Where possible early releases after multiple negative tests should be done, but it might not always be.

My biggest objection to this is that there is zero reason why it should take this form, cost this much or involve these firms. If we are going to have such a system (and we do need something like this) then it should be as easy to follow and as convenient for people as possible in the circumstances.

What it shouldn’t do is give people thousands of pounds worth of incentives to avoid it, plus expose them to all the horror stories you see in the papers (many of which are true).

The amount of money that’s been lost to this lot (from individuals and the wider taxpayer, and in at least one case their employees) is probably going to be staggering, without anything like an effective solution being delivered in return….. again.

 

[BlueToff]

It isn’t - especially with things like new variants there might always be a need to have 10 days of isolation. Where possible early releases after multiple negative tests should be done, but it might not always be.

My biggest objection to this is that there is zero reason why it should take this form, cost this much or involve these firms. If we are going to have such a system (and we do need something like this) then it should be as easy to follow and as convenient for people as possible in the circumstances.

What it shouldn’t do is give people thousands of pounds worth of incentives to avoid it, plus expose them to all the horror stories you see in the papers (many of which are true).

The amount of money that’s been lost to this lot (from individuals and the wider taxpayer, and in at least one case their employees) is probably going to be staggering, without anything like an effective solution being delivered in return….. again.

10 days is overkill.
There's no way you test negative 3 times in a row over 7 days (as in 2 days before flying, 5 days after) and have covid.

At the very least, it should be test to release from hotel quarantine and then you have to isolate at home.

I agree on the costs. It should be mostly covered with perhaps a bit of cost on the travellers,

 

[mill]

10 days is overkill.
There's no way you test negative 3 times in a row over 7 days (as in 2 days before flying, 5 days after) and have covid.

At the very least, it should be test to release from hotel quarantine and then you have to isolate at home.

I agree on the costs. It should be mostly covered with perhaps a bit of cost on the travellers,

There deffo is a way. That’s the point.

 

[BlueToff]

There deffo is a way. That’s the point.

it's highly, highly unlikely and a lot of places still do 12 days or 14 days (like Aus)

So why 10 days?

It's an ambiguous number.

 

[mill]

it's highly, highly unlikely and a lot of places still do 12 days or 14 days (like Aus)

So why 10 days?

It's an ambiguous number.

It’s the closest round number for the incubation period given 2 standard deviations (ie 95%) of the distribution?

 

[BlueToff]

It’s the closest round number for the incubation period given 2 standard deviations (ie 95%) of the distribution?

but it is ambiguous, or Aus wouldn't have just had players for the Ashes do two weeks in quarantine?

And there has to be other, easier ways if people absolutely have to do 10 days?

Tests to release to quarantine at home? It's all very doable.