Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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but it is ambiguous, or Aus wouldn't have just had players for the Ashes do two weeks in quarantine?

And there has to be other, easier ways if people absolutely have to do 10 days?

Tests to release to quarantine at home? It's all very doable.

Or you could just ignore it all and just let people do what they want?

It’s not that ambiguous. It assumes a fairly reliable confidence interval. The fact that aus/NZ want an even higher confidence interval doesn’t mean it’s arbitrary.

It’ll be based on confidence intervals given the distribution and it being a number that is easy for people to handle. Ie not 9.6 or 10.4 or 11.2 days.

Just because it feels arbitrary to you doesn’t mean it’s not based on something.
 
It isn’t - especially with things like new variants there might always be a need to have 10 days of isolation. Where possible early releases after multiple negative tests should be done, but it might not always be.

My biggest objection to this is that there is zero reason why it should take this form, cost this much or involve these firms. If we are going to have such a system (and we do need something like this) then it should be as easy to follow and as convenient for people as possible in the circumstances.

What it shouldn’t do is give people thousands of pounds worth of incentives to avoid it, plus expose them to all the horror stories you see in the papers (many of which are true).

The amount of money that’s been lost to this lot (from individuals and the wider taxpayer, and in at least one case their employees) is probably going to be staggering, without anything like an effective solution being delivered in return….. again.
This too is a good reason to look for alternatives of the hotel quarantine method with omicron - providing you can ensure that people do isolate and test.
 
Or you could just ignore it all and just let people do what they want?

It’s not that ambiguous. It assumes a fairly reliable confidence interval. The fact that aus/NZ want an even higher confidence interval doesn’t mean it’s arbitrary.

It’ll be based on confidence intervals given the distribution and it being a number that is easy for people to handle. Ie not 9.6 or 10.4 or 11.2 days.

Just because it feels arbitrary to you doesn’t mean it’s not based on something.
Well if they’re willing to have these private companies rinse people maybe the government could pay for 5-day hotel quarantine and then people have to pay the rest to release to isolate at joke or stay in the hotel?

Could be monitored by these same companies that theyre giving millions to to shove people up like cattle

And if you are going to do 10 days in hotels, at 2.5-3k a pop, you don’t get to treat people like they’re prisoners ‘because they knew the risks’ - and you shouldn’t think that’s an okay thing to happen either
 

I sincerely hope you are right.

But he wouldn't be the first to mention heart problems with the vaccines such side effects have been reported by other apparently reputable sources.




I don't have a clue either way (and let's face it neither do you) about the potential dangers of these vaccines (someone could equally be pushing vaccine hesitancy) but I don't think we should just blindly accept whatever the media (or their media fact-checkers) and the government and the media it controls, tell us! These media fact-checkers are busy flagging anything and anyone that oppose their mainstream narratives and they have plenty of potential incentives for doing so.

This is the same media after all that just recently dupped the western world into believing that Kyle Rittenhouse was a murdering white supremacist when anyone who has actually watched the trial or read the trial transcript knows this was an entirely fictitious media narrative (one of only many) and that the "not guilty" verdict was in fact correct.

The neoliberal/neoconservative press is still now clinging to this fiction despite the fact Rittenhouse was fully acquitted by a jury!

This case should have opened people's eyes to the frightening politicization, not only of the violent mobs of rioters but also the media and judiciary that is constantly attempting to push these divisive and distracting false narratives upon its western audience. Ask most Guardian readers and they most will tell you even now that Kyle Rittenhouse was some kind of NeoNazi race murderer!

Go back even further to Libya, Syria, Iraq Afghanistan, the war on terrorism, etc. and why on earth would we trust these governments, this media, on anything they tell us?

I have had my vaccine but I still think vaccine mandates and vaccine passports are indeed a catastrophe and step towards a tyrannical "new normal" that people may only come to fully understand and comprehend when it is already too late.

Do we really want to give our governments the power to string these lockdowns and vaccine mandates out indefinitely in the hope they will just give all these powers back again afterwards?

Is it really likely they will do this giving that post 911, western democratic freedoms have imperceptibly been whittled away piece by little piece by utilizing the politics of fear and terrorism?

A vaccine is now being mandated across the globe with those who refuse to comply to be locked up inside their homes losing their liberty and livelihoods because these infected souls will be a danger to those of us who have had this highly effective vaccine (requiring continuous boosters) when we can quite very obviously still catch and transmit this virus ourselves anyway despite supposedly being protected by the short-lasting vaccine?

And let's take a wild guess here, but after going on this course of potentially lifelong mandated vaccines (with possible adverse consequences) will we not be informed sometime in the future that the only reason the vaccines we were forced to take were not effective, after all, is because in the meantime a new super-duper scary variant has materialized requiring more lockdowns and another modified vaccine that doesn't really work very well, because in the meantime yet another super-upper-duper scary variant has materialized requiring more modified vaccines and more lockdowns?

And is Kennedy (who knows a thing or two about political conspiracies) not quite right when he says that all tyrannies are founded upon the politicization and the weaponization of fear?

I hope to God I am wrong about this I really do, but I really do have a bad feeling about this situation and the people in power.

"A US policy think tank as early as 2000 in a publication titled, “Rebuilding America’s Defense” (PDF), a virtual blueprint of the plans and means the US sought to utilize toward achieving global hegemony, would make particular note of bioweapons and the use of genotype-specific weapons, stating:

Although it may take several decades for the process of transformation to unfold, in time, the art of warfare on air, land, and sea will be vastly different than it is today, and “combat” likely will take place in new dimensions: in space, “cyber-space,” and perhaps the world of microbes…

…advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."

These are not the words of conspiracy theorists but Neoconservatives in their own words.
 
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It’s not flippant. I’m tired of entitlement. I’m sorry that people’s holidays are spoilt and that but we are in the midst ot a pandemic and people are dying.

I’m sorry if I have little sympathy for a millionaire and his disgruntlement at the cuisine served.

Going away during a pandemic is going to be expensive. There are going to be risks. That’s the reality. People make their choices on a risk and reward basis. Don’t moan about it when the risk becomes a reality. It’s a choice.
It's not just holidays though. There are over 100,000 Nigerians in the UK, for instance, many of whom won't have seen their families for a long time. It's not unrealistic to expect any quarantining that is done to be done as fairly as possible. As I've said before, for instance, many of my wife's colleagues are African, so any trips they make home will be routed via Nigeria. The nature of the NHS is that you need to book your leave months in advance so you can't react on a whim depending on changes to regulations. The NHS have also mandated that any time spent in quarantine is taken out of your annual leave, and remote consultations are not an option, despite the technology clearly showing it worked during the first lockdown.
 
Has anyone else found the side effects from the booster have been worse than the first two? Been largely unable to exercise since getting mine on Wednesday and just feel tired all the time.
Yeah I had a similar experience. My first 2 jabs where AZ and then my booster was Moderna. My arm was really sore for about 3 days after the booster and I kept falling asleep and just felt drained for about 5 days following my booster.
 
Well if they’re willing to have these private companies rinse people maybe the government could pay for 5-day hotel quarantine and then people have to pay the rest to release to isolate at joke or stay in the hotel?

Could be monitored by these same companies that theyre giving millions to to shove people up like cattle

And if you are going to do 10 days in hotels, at 2.5-3k a pop, you don’t get to treat people like they’re prisoners ‘because they knew the risks’ - and you shouldn’t think that’s an okay thing to happen either

A lad I know is from Zimbabwe. Hadn't been back to see his family since 2019. He's there at the moment and thought it would be alright because everywhere had been removed from the red list. Anyway to get back to the UK his flights been cancelled the only flights are extremely expensive and obviously the quarantine hotel costs. It's nearly 5000 in total costs which is a lot for working class people who haven't really done anything wrong, also he's on his own, if you're a family of 3 or 4 you'll get life changing debt from this decision.
 
It's not just holidays though. There are over 100,000 Nigerians in the UK, for instance, many of whom won't have seen their families for a long time. It's not unrealistic to expect any quarantining that is done to be done as fairly as possible. As I've said before, for instance, many of my wife's colleagues are African, so any trips they make home will be routed via Nigeria. The nature of the NHS is that you need to book your leave months in advance so you can't react on a whim depending on changes to regulations. The NHS have also mandated that any time spent in quarantine is taken out of your annual leave, and remote consultations are not an option, despite the technology clearly showing it worked during the first lockdown.

Indeed, and given how much that government follow nudge theory it’s hard to see such behaviour (which on the surface appears merely callous, unfeeling and morally questionable) as being anything other than deliberate.

They know what people are going to end up doing. When it goes wrong, they’ll seek to shift the blame onto them too.
 
The worlds worst newspaper are stating that Johnson is going to announce that 'Christmas is back on' later today or tomorrow. Surprised they've made this decision already, seems a bit early.

Obviously the media could be wrong but they have mostly been right so far.
 
The worlds worst newspaper are stating that Johnson is going to announce that 'Christmas is back on' later today or tomorrow. Surprised they've made this decision already, seems a bit early.

Obviously the media could be wrong but they have mostly been right so far.

When was Christmas ever off?

Have tuned off from the media over this no longer a public health story just politicised rubbish.
 
The worlds worst newspaper are stating that Johnson is going to announce that 'Christmas is back on' later today or tomorrow. Surprised they've made this decision already, seems a bit early.

Obviously the media could be wrong but they have mostly been right so far.

given who their chief political reporter is, and his *ahem* closeness to no 10 I am sure he has accurately written down what he has been told, though obviously whether that plan survives contact with reality is another question
 
given who their chief political reporter is, and his *ahem* closeness to no 10 I am sure he has accurately written down what he has been told, though obviously whether that plan survives contact with reality is another question

Seems a bit daft to make the announcement so soon, you'd imagine they want to avoid another U turn so why not wait a week or two until the next review?

There are some signs that the vaccine works relatively well against the new variant but it's still very transmissible.
 
It's not just holidays though. There are over 100,000 Nigerians in the UK, for instance, many of whom won't have seen their families for a long time. It's not unrealistic to expect any quarantining that is done to be done as fairly as possible. As I've said before, for instance, many of my wife's colleagues are African, so any trips they make home will be routed via Nigeria. The nature of the NHS is that you need to book your leave months in advance so you can't react on a whim depending on changes to regulations. The NHS have also mandated that any time spent in quarantine is taken out of your annual leave, and remote consultations are not an option, despite the technology clearly showing it worked during the first lockdown.
I know. I was on the wind up last night as I was drunk. Got a new bourbon that was very nice.

Sorry @BlueToff, I was just being silly.
 
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