Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[xena]

Ey?

No not saying that at all ffs.

@tsubaki quoted a poster who said that someone can take care of themselves and be unvaccinated, with Tsubaki replying that they hadn't looked after themselves.

All I pointed out was that the poster they quoted @joe1878 wasn't, I don't think, specifically referring to the vaccine there, they were stating that people can be live a very healthy lifestyle and look after themselves and be unvaccinated, that's all.

I wasn't getting involved in the debate about docs having to choose who to save or anything like that. Just that to me, someone who lives an extremely healthy lifestyle and is unvaccinated has probably done more to look after themselves than someone who is very unhealthy and is vaccinated. Obviously, ideally people should do both.

soz mate i was only joking not very well it seems.?
ps id be ok I've had my vaccines

 

[CharliePotato]

I still don’t know anyone half healthy who has died of it. 2 years in now. Con!

My nan 87, with massive health issues, and a neighbour who was severely disabled.

Seriously, I’ve got a large circle and extended circle like anyone in central Liverpool and I still don’t know anyone who knows anyone who has passed away directly of it. It’s an absolute joke.

 

[Brennan]

I still don’t know anyone half healthy who has died of it. 2 years in now. Con!

My nan 87, with massive health issues, and a neighbour who was severely disabled.

Seriously, I’ve got a large circle and extended circle like anyone in central Liverpool and I still don’t know anyone who knows anyone who has passed away directly of it. It’s an absolute joke.

I don’t know anybody who’s died of meningitis, flu, or being hit by a car. All absolute cons!

 

[COYBL25]

I still don’t know anyone half healthy who has died of it. 2 years in now. Con!

My nan 87, with massive health issues, and a neighbour who was severely disabled.

Seriously, I’ve got a large circle and extended circle like anyone in central Liverpool and I still don’t know anyone who knows anyone who has passed away directly of it. It’s an absolute joke.

I personally know four people mate, two of whom were immediate neighbours.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I still don’t know anyone half healthy who has died of it. 2 years in now. Con!

My nan 87, with massive health issues, and a neighbour who was severely disabled.

Seriously, I’ve got a large circle and extended circle like anyone in central Liverpool and I still don’t know anyone who knows anyone who has passed away directly of it. It’s an absolute joke.

I sincerely hope that remains the case for you, it is most assuredly not a joke for those who have not been as fortunate.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It’s not that I don’t believe him, but you can’t just say “oh I’m an anaesthetist and I have done this today”. If that’s the case then I’d imagine the public would like to know which hospital is stopping cancer patients having life saving surgery to deal with unvaccinated Covid patients. I don’t care who he is, there is no reason he can’t name the hospital or the hospital trust. How’s its sensitive info? He’s going to be telling hundreds of people they can’t have cancer surgery over the next week or so isn’t he, I’m sure it’ll be common knowledge If it’s true after all these cancer patients being left to suffer. I’m not putting a tin foil hat on, all’s I’m saying if you’re gonna put that in the public domain then you’re gonna get questioned. As for having nothing better to do than answering questions from people on the street, he seems to think it’s ok to spend time putting his hospitals dirty laundry on Twitter.

Because it is. I obviously can't speak for every trust, but the trust my wife works for expressly tells staff not to comment on clinical affairs in the public domain, which is perhaps why this person operates under a pseudonym rather than their real name, especially as I don't suppose there are hundreds of anesthetists in any given hospital so it probably wouldn't take Columbo to track him down if they did identify their hospital.

Now you could well ask whether it's right that health staff are blowing the whistle in this way, but to question whether they're making stuff up is getting into tin foil territory.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I sincerely hope that remains the case for you, it is most assuredly not a joke for those who have not been as fortunate.

I mean globally there have been like 5 million deaths from it. That some still think it's made up is frankly incredible.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Because it is. I obviously can't speak for every trust, but the trust my wife works for expressly tells staff not to comment on clinical affairs in the public domain, which is perhaps why this person operates under a pseudonym rather than their real name, especially as I don't suppose there are hundreds of anesthetists in any given hospital so it probably wouldn't take Columbo to track him down if they did identify their hospital.

Now you could well ask whether it's right that health staff are blowing the whistle in this way, but to question whether they're making stuff up is getting into tin foil territory.

The group that does regular audits on UK critical care has been flagging the issue for a while but without result so you can see why some would go outside guidelines.

 

[peteblue]

I personally know four people mate, two of whom were immediate neighbours.

That‘s tough mate…..

 

[Neiler]

Possibly hence the shooting rates in Austria etc

Issue is, this is gonna happen everywhere all the time. I really do think this, everywhere, is going way overboard. Maybe better to be safe than sorry, like, so I get that. Germany are on the verge of completely shutting down in some places by the looks. Bavaria's PM today cancelling any big crowds, matches etc.

20 months...

We’re investigating four samples of suspected Omicron cases, the samples are from Oct. Not confirmed mind. So it’s possible this has been in Europe for quite a bit.

The best quote I heard on omicron was Biden saying it’s a cause for concern, not panic. We literally aren’t sure yet about anything at this stage. There was a hopeful anecdotal report from South African that about 20 patients had it, and they didn’t get especially sick. They were young and healthy people, though, though it would be a concern if they got very seriously ill.

In the coming days we will get more data, I predict by the end of the week we should know how the current vaccine antibodies hold up against it, you can bet anything omicron and antibodies are together in a test tube being analysed right now. Given the nature of the mutations it’s very likely we will see a drop in the level of antibody protection as we did with Delta, but what I don’t see reported anywhere is we are likely to still have a T-Cell response. Antibodies are one part of the protection. While the booster should give as much anti body protection as is possible in this current technology cycle, you really should go and get a booster.

All that said there is the possibility, which would be huge that the variant may be more infectious and transmissible then Delta and become dominant, but could lead to less serious illness, then previous variants.

Simply put all of the above we don’t know yet, but should shortly. Meanwhile the world is introducing travel restrictions, they aren’t designed to keep Omicron out its the slow the spread and any potential surge.

Central Europe is having an awful time mate, it’s the exponential growth, leading to the surge, it’s like going from 0-100, in a very short space of times, services just get swamped, awful. I think it’s the perfect storm of interconnectedness of Central Europe, their lower vaccine profile, flu season and i actually think schools are driving a lot of it too, though governments don’t like to acknowledge that.

 

[CharliePotato]

I don’t know anybody who’s died of meningitis, flu, or being hit by a car. All absolute cons!

Ok.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The group that does regular audits on UK critical care has been flagging the issue for a while but without result so you can see why some would go outside guidelines.

Indeed, and while obviously attention is given to beds, it's generally not the beds that have been suffering from burnout at unprecedented levels.

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ICU staff are a pretty special breed and can't just be plucked from other wards and chucked in there. It's a pretty specialised skillset so when you start losing people who already by the nature of the job have a pretty high [Poor language removed] and fan tolerance it's not ideal. Which is kind of why it's so upsetting to hear people like @JLW say the other day that they're not bothered about trying to do what "he" can to reduce the strain these people are under as it's the government's problem, not his. And I don't work in ICU so I can imagine how it must feel to those who do.

 

[CharliePotato]

I personally know four people mate, two of whom were immediate neighbours.

Mine was also an immediate neighbour and my Nan who I am closer too than anything, however all though it was put down as covid I’m not blind enough to believe that was the sole cause, neither was anyone else.

 

[COYBL25]

Mine was also an immediate neighbour and my Nan who I am closer too than anything, however all though it was put down as covid I’m not blind enough to believe that was the sole cause, neither was anyone else.

Fair enough mate.

All of the people I know who died, were “ at risk “ for one reason or other, but they still died earlier than they should’ve done, which is tragic regardless.

 

[Neiler]

Just on Schools, Government’s are slow to acknowledge they are an issue for many reasons, but they really are. Children largely under 12 are unvaccinated, mixing and are developmentally not able to weigh or take safety precautions that adults are. Children are picking Covid up in schools and coming home to families, if a child has it in the house it spreads to everyone in the household regardless of vaccination. The school year as well coincides with Flu season.

This is the breakdown of our age profile of cases at the moment: