Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[roydo]

As said, I have voluntarily done it throughout this whole thing.

From July.



But we're now in a position where I'm not harming anybody and nobody is harming me, and that's the case for 99% of the population. Everyone afraid of COVID has been offered or had vaccination. Only those unvaccinated are being killed by it. Yet I'd have continued to wear a mask voluntarily on the tiny, infinitesimal chance it made someone feel better.

But I draw the line at being told to by Johnson for no logical reason. Because there's no logical reason a mask mandate is required now when it wasn't two, three, four weeks ago, or four months ago. Just as there'll be no logical reason to ever lift it now, because COVID is endemic.

Well sure. But you said, cos you disagree with the new rulez, you wont comply. Cos I assume you think you know better.

If mask wearing became a normal thing, in shops and transport, in the future, cos the benefits showed up as sound, I would not have a problem with that in 10 years time.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Aye that’s right mate… All the governments of the world have come together to concoct a made up new mutant virus just to ruin our Xmas here in the UK.

No they haven't made one up.

If that is what you took from my post then you are looking for a reason to disagree ?

There is many variants out there and has been for a good while. There is many different versions of covid that have been observed for months now. I know because they are constantly reported on in the news.

So this is essentially picking one out , despite already downplaying it at the same time and enforcing restrictions off the back of it, restrictions that were always going to be put in place.

 

[coollino]

I think from a public health point of view experts have thought and advised it was a good idea for a while, politically i think the new varient may have been the smoke screen to hide regression. The UK posted 50k cases yesterday, that the first time its crossed that threshold this winter, the measures are the clever play - fair play to UK government.

They should have never taken it away really. I just can't see someone who hasn't wore a mask for the last 4 months or whatever now wearing one

 

[steven]

No they haven't made one up.

If that is what you took from my post then you are looking for a reason to disagree ?

There is many variants out there and has been for a good while. There is many different versions of covid that have been observed for months now. I know because they are constantly reported on in the news.

So this is essentially picking one out , despite already downplaying it at the same time and enforcing restrictions off the back of it, restrictions that were always going to be put in place.

Ah right, so what you’re saying is that a large proportion of governments around the world picked this particular variant out…just so the UK and some other countries can go into lockdown over the winter?

 

[Tubey]

Real world data. This happened before. "We think this might happen, but we are not sure till data is in".

What dont you get?

You do realise a variant could emerge at any time, anywhere right? Thousands have done, thousands more will, regardless of what we do?

So why would we ever stop wearing masks and socially distancing? If the pressing thought is "WE'VE GOT TO STOP IT SPREADING" and not "WE'VE GOT TO STOP IT KILLING", then naturally we should always wear masks and socially distance.

But I thought common sense would prevail and we'd understand we've lived with respiratory illnesses that can cause a bit of damage so as to retain our personal freedoms.

I'm not a mad 'liberty' nut but my word, if we're this obsessed with simply stopping spread at all costs with no thought as to whether spread in itself is actually that dangerous then everything should be on the table - we should be tracked with microchips so that we know our movements if infected so we can trace other contacts! After all, it'd be effective!

 

[Neiler]

I don't know why cases are still seen as the important statistic - they simply aren't. It's hospitalisations and deaths.

Before we look at Long Covid and chronic illness:

This is our break down of profile of our RIP's:

Between April 1st and November 20th 2021

• 680 persons with a laboratory confirmed COVID-19 infection, were notified to the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC) as having died due to COVID-19.

• 249/680 (36.6%) deaths were notified in persons who were not vaccinated or not registered as vaccinated on Ireland’s national COVID-19 immunisation system (COVAX).

• 431/680 (63.4%) deaths were notified in persons who had received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine prior to death.

• 352/680 (51.8%) of the notified deaths had an epidemiological date 14 days or more after receiving both doses of a 2-dose regimen or 1 dose of a 1-dose regimenand are considered to be fully vaccinated – see technical note.

So Covid is very much still at play in terms of case numbers and subsequent moralities, even with the vaccine at play.

 

[Tubey]

Well sure. But you said, cos you disagree with the new rulez, you wont comply. Cos I assume you think you know better.

If mask wearing became a normal thing, in shops and transport, in the future, cos the benefits showed up as sound, I would not have a problem with that in 10 years time.

Shocking. Really is shocking.

But OK, you do you.

 

[Neiler]

They should have never taken it away really. I just can't see someone who hasn't wore a mask for the last 4 months or whatever now wearing one

It was unnecessary and the created a political regressive tool in which to beat themselves mate.

 

[Tubey]

Sorry @roydo, misread - you said if it became a 'normal thing', not mandated as such.

Sure, if people chose to wear masks, sure, who cares. Personal choice, things evolve, whatever. That's a big difference between mandating it top-down.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Well sure. But you said, cos you disagree with the new rulez, you wont comply. Cos I assume you think you know better.

If mask wearing became a normal thing, in shops and transport, in the future, cos the benefits showed up as sound, I would not have a problem with that in 10 years time.

No way I want to be wearing a mask in 10 years time, but if others do then fine. It definitely can't become a permanent compulsory thing.

 

[summerisle]

Was reading an report before about the WHO skipping two greek letters Nu and Xi and going straight to Omicron.
The first was to avoid confusion with the word 'New' and the second allegedly so's not to upset the Chinese leader Xi Jinping, but the WHO deffo aren't in China's pocket though.

It's actually Mu, which sounds rather nice and cosy.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

As said, I have voluntarily done it throughout this whole thing.

From July.



But we're now in a position where I'm not harming anybody and nobody is harming me, and that's the case for 99% of the population. Everyone afraid of COVID has been offered or had vaccination. Only those unvaccinated are being killed by it. Yet I'd have continued to wear a mask voluntarily on the tiny, infinitesimal chance it made someone feel better.

But I draw the line at being told to by Johnson for no logical reason. Because there's no logical reason a mask mandate is required now when it wasn't two, three, four weeks ago, or four months ago. Just as there'll be no logical reason to ever lift it now, because COVID is endemic.

Here’s a reason for you to wear a mask in a shop.

A lot of small independent shops are generally run by one person or a couple of people.

If they catch Covid from customers who refuse to wear a mask then that means they have to self isolate for 10 days, during which time they have no source of income and they don’t get sick pay. The shop is usually their primary source of income and selfish [Poor language removed] who refuse to wear a mask for whatever reason need a good kicking.

It’s about thinking of other people and their circumstances, it’s about opening your tiny mind and looking at the bigger picture.

 

[Runub]

They already know this variant produces only mild symptoms and have a good idea that the vaccines are effective against it still.

Am I missing something? Are you talking about Omicron? If so, as I understand it, the scientists don’t know the above and won’t know for two or three weeks minimum

 

[COYBL25]

Standard conspiracy theorists View attachment 146946

@Joey66 on the way back from the car boat sale, with a load of Dyson parts in the pockets of his mack.

 

[Tubey]

Am I missing something? Are you talking about Omicron? If so, as I understand it, the scientists don’t know the above and won’t know for two or three weeks minimum

The data out of South Africa suggests cases are mild and it spreads about the same. It's not finalised data.

But, again, there's thousands of variants. The unique thing about this one is merely the amount of mutations, notably on the spike protein, that could theoretically make it very nasty. So you want to stop it spreading so it mutates further.

That's why I'd at least understand it if we went into full lockdown/mask mandates all over the shop if they felt it was a proper emergency, as those measures work. Instead, the government has chosen to mandate one half measure to create the illusion of doing something - a placebo.

Personally, I'd have changed nothing - not enough data on the variant, there's thousands of variants all the time, so you either have a mask mandate and social distancing all the time or you don't.