Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Diogenes the Cynic]

This is my main issue for people who refuse to wear them, the pressure on the workers to enforce them

Correct, the vile abuse workers have had to deal with when asking people to wear a mask is absolutely disgraceful.

I liked the shops that had obvious nightclub bouncers on the door like the Aldi near me that didn't take any nonsense and were told to mask up or sling their hook. Unfortunately that only lasted temporarily.

 

[Charro]

I’ll wear one now it’s becoming mandatory again.

If people refuse to wear one then sound. Can’t say I’m bothered at this point. It’s their choice, we don’t have to front eachother over everything.

 

[roydo]

I'm accepting - fully - that if I disobey a mask mandate and get questioned I'll have the consequences of it

So you will insist on not wearing a mask in a shop, cos, in your opinion, its stupid?

 

[Tubey]

Safe traveling in public transport amid COVID-19


It's as if masks are effective in stopped the spread of viruses.


Who'd have thought it.

We literally do it forever then.

If it's that effective against COVID, and who knows it probably is, then it's effective against ALL respiratory diseases, and we should be mandated to wear facemasks and socially distance forever.

Not just on transport, but everywhere, all the time, because it's effective.

If something is 95% effective at stopping a respiratory disease, no matter if it kills or not, then we should be doing it all the time, right? The vaccines don't matter, hospitalisations/deaths don't matter, all that matters is viral spread and caseloads. So humans should everywhere, all the time, do anything and everything necessary to 'stop the spread' of everything.

This is the new normal.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I’ll wear one now it’s becoming mandatory again.

If people refuse to wear one then sound. Can’t say I’m bothered at this point. It’s their choice, we don’t have to front eachother over everything.

Yes we do, name your nearest Morrison’s car park mate (masks optional)

 

[Ghost Rider]

All of this seems coincidental.

There was always going to be restrictions this winter in some capacity. There just had to be , it would have been ridicuous not to.

So instead of just announcing measures for the winter, it's off the back of a 'oh my god another variant!'.

And you wonder why people question all of this! It's transparent as they come , nothing changed and within 24 hours of 'discovering' a new variant , things change.

Load of nonsense now. I just wish the government could be competent enough to have said all of this back on July 19th , opening the country up but December 1st masks and stuff are coming back for the winter as a precautionary measure.

 

[zukai12_]

Do you think if vaccine distribution world wide was more equal we'd be getting fewer varients?

Waive the patents and give these poorer countries vaccines should be a priority imo

 

[Neiler]

Haha again, I'm accepting - fully - that if I disobey a mask mandate and get questioned I'll have the consequences of it.

You aren't. You think being mandated to be vaccinated for a profession is a breach of your human rights. I don't think being mandated to wear a mask in a shop is a breach of my human rights. I merely think it's stupid, because the mandate isn't wide enough for it to be anything other than a token placebo measure.

Therein lies the core difference. My position is entirely consistent.

Again you dont understand the ethic of informed consent. You are retaining information, weighing the consequences and taking on risk - to make a decsion in terms of your health and wellbeing, those around you and wider society, that is a right you are exerting whether you are concious of it or not. Its the same right you think shouldn't be allowed others because of a job spec. The government are saying this is for the greater good - the very reason you believe why health care professionals should be mandated, you disagree applying agency and choice a fundamental human right.

 

[Tubey]

So you will insist on not wearing a mask in a shop, cos, in your opinion, its stupid?

Yes. I think it's a placebo. I'm not going along with a government mandated social experiment to 'make people feel better'.

I've had every vaccine, just had my booster today, wore masks throughout when mandated in an emergency and voluntarily, but I draw the line in being told to wear one by Johnson at this point while he keeps pubs/clubs/everything else open.

I take the point about the 'vulnerable needing to shop', but I'm sure those vulnerable people would prefer proper measures to stop the spread 'in the round' and not half arsed tokenism.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Side note , it's came out that the people ill in hospital are unvaccinated and the ones who are vaccinated aren't going to hospital anymore.

They already know this variant produces only mild symptoms and have a good idea that the vaccines are effective against it still.

So who on earth are we protecting by wearing masks during the winter now? It's now PROVEN that vaccinated people aren't ending up in hospital.

Are we at that point where the entire country is protecting the few who chose not to get the vaccine? Sure seems like it , if they already know the vaccine is working brilliantly.

 

[roydo]

Do you think if vaccine distribution world wide was more equal we'd be getting fewer varients?

Waive the patents and give these poorer countries vaccines should be a priority imo

Dont think so. This one has mutated tons by all accounts, its just that this latest one is a bit moody. That said, agree that more worldwide/3rd world vaxs aint the worst idea.

 

[wainy]

Mask wearing, imo, is pointless. Covid is going nowhere so what is the point? Get your vaccine, get your boosters.

Also, these new requirements for travel, does anyone know if there are exemptions for kids (kids under 12 not requiring pcr for example)?

 

[roydo]

Yes. I think it's a placebo. I'm not going along with a government mandated social experiment to 'make people feel better'.

I've had every vaccine, just had my booster today, wore masks throughout when mandated in an emergency and voluntarily, but I draw the line in being told to wear one by Johnson at this point while he keeps pubs/clubs/everything else open.

I take the point about the 'vulnerable needing to shop', but I'm sure those vulnerable people would prefer proper measures to stop the spread 'in the round' and not half arsed tokenism.

Why do you need to be told by anyone that a decent thing to do is a good idea? Masks dont protect you alone, they protect other folk. But hey, high horse.

 

[Tubey]

Side note , it's came out that the people ill in hospital are unvaccinated and the ones who are vaccinated aren't going to hospital anymore.

They already know this variant produces only mild symptoms and have a good idea that the vaccines are effective against it still.

So who on earth are we protecting by wearing masks during the winter now? It's now PROVEN that vaccinated people aren't ending up in hospital.

Are we at that point where the entire country is protecting the few who chose not to get the vaccine? Sure seems like it , if they already know the vaccine is working brilliantly.

Indeed, that was my point above. All that matters apparently is caseload.

So if COVID is only killing the unvaccinated or the very vulnerable who'd have died regardless (99%+ at this point), then what's changed now to make a mask mandate necessary now and not necessary forever?

They said they'll revisit in three weeks - why? What will have changed? The variant will still be in circulation. Even if by some chance there's no more cases, there will be of the next dominant variant or whatever, so why on earth would we stop the mandate ever if it's deemed mandatory now?

 

[Wizard]

Johnson said they’re looking at changing this. 3 jabs in less than a year potentially for people.

We’re already on 3 jabs in less than a year if you get your booster. It’s not new