Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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At least I had full 27 years before this thing came around. Yeah less than I would have liked and many here had but it could have been way worse.

I now admit my life will never be the same. I accepted. That was the toughest part.
This is life and it’s nothing new. I’m only 36 so I’m not giving you a “young man” speech. In 2008 the World was going to collapse because of the financial crisis. In 2001 we were going to be going into a new World War after 9/11. We had the Gulf War in the 90’s. There have been so many of these events in the past and we tend to get over them to some degree. Let’s not forget the 2 World Wars that happened in our grandparents lives and for a lot of the posters on here their parents lives. And this is all very West focused and personally focused. There’s been so much more going on that doesn’t register for us day to day. Remember in 2004 that around 250,000 people were wiped out by a tsunami. It crap and it’s been a terrible 18 months or so for everyone. And this is different in that it affects everyone globally. But it sadly happens and will continue to happen. But we adapt and deal with it.
 
Sorry but you've just completely misunderstood or misrepresented what I was saying.

For a start, people are only required to isolate if they test positive. If they test negative, they don't have to isolate at all.


In terms of help to isolate - as I've said repeatedly before this would be financial help (since lots of people cannot afford to isolate), legal help (as in preventing employers taking action against people who do isolate after testing positive) and any other moral support that can be given. Basically all the main reasons why people genuinely can't isolate should be managed away.

As for people who aren't happy to stay at home for ten days after they've tested positive because they can't be arsed to - honestly, tough. Preventing that person infecting anyone else is the key objective, and if they refuse that and go on to pass it on they should face the consequences of that. We have seen prosecutions and convictions of people for knowingly infecting other people with serious diseases and this should be no exception.

Look - you, I and everyone else do not want another lockdown, no more economic damage or disruption. The problem is everything you and others want to do will make all that much more likely if something bad comes down the line.

Sticking collective heads in the sand and pretending what is going on now is fine is not what people should be doing.
Okay so we agree on that, yep? We're happy with that - so can I just check because maybe I misunderstood your post but if there is a contact in your plan, they only isolate if they're positive? I agree with that, but I believe that is exactly what happens now. You are right in saying it is on the person in question to get tested but people are getting called up to do that? So it seems the difference in your example is that people would actually come round to do the testing to ensure that test is taking place, rather than some in a call centre calling every few hours?

A lot of people can work from home so the financial help isn't always vital. The moral support is actually the biggest issue here. People just can't logistically isolate for 10 days easily. It really isn't doable. So either knock down the isolation period or you have to do more than just offer support. The best thing for people is being outdoors in a lot of situations - fresh air, not cooped up inside. Surely there has to be some leniency there? Common sense approach - locking people up in their own homes isn't that.

I know you don't want another lockdown. I know you don't want things to be shut. I just think you're acting like none of the above is happening but it actually very nearly is. The difference, between your plan and the current one, is the actual people going out to homes to do it. Maybe that is what's needed, but 20 months in we shouldn't be telling people to automatically isolate for 10 days.
 
See some interesting restrictions being IMO,emended in Portugal and are advance planning for an expected surge after Xmas.

They are introducing Covid cert checks for entry to indoor events and smacking a fine on airlines of up to €20,000 per passenger detected arriving into the country without the Covid cert, beginning December 1st.

The advance planning immediately after Christmas. First week of January will see:

  • obligatory teleworking.
  • closure of bars and nightclubs with a promise that they’ll be compensated.
  • Delay on the re-opening of schools, pushed back from Jan 3rd to Jan 10th.
 
See some interesting restrictions being IMO,emended in Portugal and are advance planning for an expected surge after Xmas.

They are introducing Covid cert checks for entry to indoor events and smacking a fine on airlines of up to €20,000 per passenger detected arriving into the country without the Covid cert, beginning December 1st.

The advance planning immediately after Christmas. First week of January will see:

  • obligatory teleworking.
  • closure of bars and nightclubs with a promise that they’ll be compensated.
  • Delay on the re-opening of schools, pushed back from Jan 3rd to Jan 10th.
21 months....
 
5 flights coming in from South Africa tomorrow morning to Heathrow, plus I wonder how many connected flights to another destination then to the UK people take.
And yet if the UK was seriously going to be in danger of this 'new variant' then these flights would be grounded with immediate effect, but no the people within our government who will know more about this virus than anyone else will allow them to come to the UK. Doesn't that ring alarm bells to some people that this virus isn't as dangerous as what were getting told?
 
And yet if the UK was seriously going to be in danger of this 'new variant' then these flights would be grounded with immediate effect, but no the people within our government who will know more about this virus than anyone else will allow them to come to the UK. Doesn't that ring alarm bells to some people that this virus isn't as dangerous as what were getting told?
That's literally what is happening. No one from South Africa, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Lesotho and Eswatini will be allowed in from tomorrow. Or people that have travelled through those countries in the last 10 days. Any British or Irish citizens returning from Sunday will have to quarantine in a hotel for 10 days. Anyone travelling before then from those countries have to isolate at home.

 
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That's literally what is happening. No one from South Africa, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Lesotho and Eswatini will be allowed in from tomorrow. Or people that have travelled through those countries in the last 10 days. Any British or Irish citizens returning from Sunday will have to quarantine in a hotel for 10 days. Anyone travelling before then from those countries have to isolate at home.

One scientist told me this was the worst variant they'd seen - look at it on paper and it's not hard to see why.
It is the most heavily mutated variant so far and is now radically different to the form that emerged in Wuhan, China.
That means vaccines, which were designed using the original, may not be as effective.


Oh look again "vaccines not as effective"
 
One scientist told me this was the worst variant they'd seen - look at it on paper and it's not hard to see why.
It is the most heavily mutated variant so far and is now radically different to the form that emerged in Wuhan, China.
That means vaccines, which were designed using the original, may not be as effective.


Oh look again "vaccines not as effective"
"May not be". Read what you are posting.
 
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