Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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LinekersLegs said:
There are lots of trials on ivermectin, over 80 according to the FDA

ClinicalTrials.gov

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Including one by Oxford
www.clinicaltrialsarena.com

Oxford University adds ivermectin to PRINCIPLE trial for Covid-19

The University of Oxford in the UK has added ivermectin to the PRINCIPLE trial for the treatment of Covid-19.
www.clinicaltrialsarena.com www.clinicaltrialsarena.com

Some are still ongoing but the ones I’ve seen, like the one @Neiler linked, have shown no benefit in its use.

Meaghan is an epidemiologist at UKHSA
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Thanks legs

Like I said, I didn't buy it fully. I just thought an interesting point to raise.
 
grandjoeblue said:
They are attempting to but spotting 1 or 2 clusters out of thousands of cases is pointless. Once it gets to a certain level of community spread you want to ensure positive people isolate that has to be the goal.
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No, you want positive people to isolate long before it gets to a certain level of spread. The idea is to prevent it ever getting to a certain level.
 
tsubaki said:
There absolutely is a correlation; phoning a positive persons wife isn’t really effective tracing. Did the other people your grandad had been in contact with get identified, called and tested? Did your cousins contacts get identified, contacted and tested? Did that happen quickly enough to contain the spread in that case?
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Well he'd only been to the supermarket for two days prior and he had to tell test, track and trace where he'd been. He also informed them that he'd been to a funeral the week before so they got in touch with the person he passed on contact info for but that's all he said.

I don't know about my cousin. She works delivering the COVID tests and antibody tests to people's homes, so is part of that system too.

Everyone had the app, and then the app didn't work but then it worked far too well. So how else are you meant to implement it?

Bombarding an 82-year-old with cancer about where they'd been in the last week when they're not very well at all due to having COVID probably isn't the best solution. When my mates had it in the summer they were getting calls and texts every day, one of them was literally stuck in bed and they were just getting buzzed every 12 hours.

So I ask again, what is your solution. What is an effective track, test and trace system we can implement. The app worked too well in the end that it became unusable because you were getting pinged every few days.
 
BlueToff said:
Well he'd only been to the supermarket for two days prior and he had to tell test, track and trace where he'd been. He also informed them that he'd been to a funeral the week before so they got in touch with the person he passed on contact info for but that's all he said.

I don't know about my cousin. She works delivering the COVID tests and antibody tests to people's homes, so is part of that system too.

Everyone had the app, and then the app didn't work but then it worked far too well. So how else are you meant to implement it?

Bombarding an 82-year-old with cancer about where they'd been in the last week when they're not very well at all due to having COVID probably isn't the best solution. When my mates had it in the summer they were getting calls and texts every day, one of them was literally stuck in bed and they were just getting buzzed every 12 hours.

So I ask again, what is your solution. What is an effective track, test and trace system we can implement. The app worked too well in the end that it became unusable because you were getting pinged every few days.
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The solution would be to actually do it - as in that someone gets symptoms and reports it, someone comes around your house to test you, whilst waiting you get asked about your contacts.

You test positive and they then go do the same (ask about contacts, test) to all your contacts, and so on down the line. You meanwhile get help to isolate. If people don’t isolate, they should be dealt with in the same way everyone who deliberately spreads notifiable infectious diseases does.

The difference from what we have now is that the state would have a much more effective involvement; at present an awful lot of the time getting tested is your responsibility, isolating is your responsibility but it’s still cost billions? It’s abundantly clear it isn’t working.
 
BlueToff said:
Sorry, was deaths, my bad

Yeah i'm not saying I fully buy what he says, i just thought it was interesting. But looking at YouTube comments probably isn't the best way to gauge 'normal' behaviours, I'd say.

Agree on that last bit.

I do think any possible treatment should be being looked at.
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The reason I mentioned the YouTube comments was that he has 1.5m followers so a pretty hefty voice and with it a responsibility. People that believe in ivermectin will use this video and spread it when it doesn’t actually give any more credence to ivermectin as a treatment for covid. But it will be used as “evidence”.
 
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tsubaki said:
The solution would be to actually do it - as in that someone gets symptoms and reports it, someone comes around your house to test you, whilst waiting you get asked about your contacts.

You test positive and they then go do the same (ask about contacts, test) to all your contacts, and so on down the line. You meanwhile get help to isolate. If people don’t isolate, they should be dealt with in the same way everyone who deliberately spreads notifiable infectious diseases does.

The difference from what we have now is that the state would have a much more effective involvement; at present an awful lot of the time getting tested is your responsibility, isolating is your responsibility but it’s still cost billions? It’s abundantly clear it isn’t working.
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But how does someone coming to test you and ask about your contacts any different to what happens now? You are asked about your contacts if you are positive - they call you up?

Also, when does it stop? ATM it's two days prior to your positive date that they ask for contacts back to? People shouldn't have to isolate if they don't test positive, either. They should just be instructed to go and get a test instead of being told to take 10 days out of their lives to coop themselves up at home when there is absolutely no reason to.

'Get help to isolate'. I've asked you before - what the hell does that mean?

You might be happy to stay inside/at home for 10 days. I'm certainly not. I did it when I was ill, obviously, but it was horrible. What help could someone have given me?

I'm sorry, nearly 2 years into this thing your idea of a solution is to have the government going round to people's houses, forcing any contacts to immediately isolate or 'be dealt with' but it's okay cause you'll give them 'help' to isolate.

I just don't get you on this. Agree with you on a lot of other stuff but we'll never see eye to eye on that.
 
More infectious, possibly easier to spread etc etc,, no mention on how deadly it is.. we've become so concerned with how infections new variants are that we are forgetting the most important part and are running a real risk of locking down and eradicating the variant that's ridiculously infectious but akin to a mild cold..

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Tipp blue said:
More infectious, possibly easier to spread etc etc,, no mention on how deadly it is.. we've become so concerned with how infections new variants are that we are forgetting the most important part and are running a real risk of locking down and eradicating the variant that's ridiculously infectious but akin to a mild cold..

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I think people get too wound up by the headlines rather than reading the actual articles. From what I’ve read about it the scientists are simply saying it’s something to keep an eye on. It’s too early and there are too few cases to know how infectious or deadly it is. But it’s important and good that we have scientists tracking this stuff in case some horrendous variant did crop up that could beat the vaccines on a major scale. In that instance if we are on top of it we can try and limit the spread.

The press might sensationalise it for headlines but the actual information is usually there in the articles.
 
BlueToff said:
But how does someone coming to test you and ask about your contacts any different to what happens now? You are asked about your contacts if you are positive - they call you up?

Also, when does it stop? ATM it's two days prior to your positive date that they ask for contacts back to? People shouldn't have to isolate if they don't test positive, either. They should just be instructed to go and get a test instead of being told to take 10 days out of their lives to coop themselves up at home when there is absolutely no reason to.

'Get help to isolate'. I've asked you before - what the hell does that mean?

You might be happy to stay inside/at home for 10 days. I'm certainly not. I did it when I was ill, obviously, but it was horrible. What help could someone have given me?

I'm sorry, nearly 2 years into this thing your idea of a solution is to have the government going round to people's houses, forcing any contacts to immediately isolate or 'be dealt with' but it's okay cause you'll give them 'help' to isolate.

I just don't get you on this. Agree with you on a lot of other stuff but we'll never see eye to eye on that.
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Sorry but you've just completely misunderstood or misrepresented what I was saying.

For a start, people are only required to isolate if they test positive. If they test negative, they don't have to isolate at all.

In terms of help to isolate - as I've said repeatedly before this would be financial help (since lots of people cannot afford to isolate), legal help (as in preventing employers taking action against people who do isolate after testing positive) and any other moral support that can be given. Basically all the main reasons why people genuinely can't isolate should be managed away.

As for people who aren't happy to stay at home for ten days after they've tested positive because they can't be arsed to - honestly, tough. Preventing that person infecting anyone else is the key objective, and if they refuse that and go on to pass it on they should face the consequences of that. We have seen prosecutions and convictions of people for knowingly infecting other people with serious diseases and this should be no exception.

Look - you, I and everyone else do not want another lockdown, no more economic damage or disruption. The problem is everything you and others want to do will make all that much more likely if something bad comes down the line.

Sticking collective heads in the sand and pretending what is going on now is fine is not what people should be doing.
 
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