Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Neiler]

It's not coercion, it's a prerequisite of the job role. You know the way you can choose to be a doctor with all the preconditions that come with it - medical degree, wearing gloves, duty of care et al? You can also choose not to be a doctor if you don't want to meet those preconditions. You aren't being sacked or losing employment; you are choosing to no longer meet the requirements for the role. It'd be a human rights issue only if you were forced to be a doctor.

If you can't grasp this, I can't help you but oh my giddy aunt are you wrong on this!

I'm sorry mate, i dont think you fully understand the concepts at play or their interplay. We're not making progress.

Agree to differ and what not.

 

[Neiler]

As I understand it locally that is what healthcare departments have been doing in parallel with the healthcare mandates - arranging one on one sit downs with their staff to discuss concerns and arranging things like private injections in a prone position for those who are nervous of needles and worry they will faint etc. Fortunately our local health group had something like 90% vax rate even before all that (vaccines had long been required for other diseases to be hired so precedent was already set) and the deadline has now passed and 99% of staff are now vaxed.

But my main point was that I worry about staffing regardless of whether mandates are implemented, healthcare has been really, really rough during Covid.

I know we differ mate. But that's why i think mandates are incendiary in terms of maintaining staffing numbers, morale and solidarity, if im balloted for for industrial action on a mandated vaccinations for health care workers id ballot for industrial action - for the reasons of ethics and rights i describe, that shouldn't be the case - that a pro vaccine health care worker is voting for industrial action on a vaccine compliance issue, its actually quite divisive and mad and another blow to morale and i suspect numbers in health care.

 

[Tipp blue]

Immunity will build over the next few years which will reduce the impact. This winter and 2022 might not be great but you'd hope eventually things will get better. There are some tablets that are being approved which also massively improve outcomes.

Normality will eventually resume but it might be 2 or 3 years away. Saying that we'll probably all be in the metaverse by then..

It will be back to normal well before that, normality will resume when the pandemic is over and the pandemic will be over when the people decide its over, judging by what's going on around Europe that decision has almost been made. There's no way governments will keep up the lockdown/restrictions for much longer, these are people who rely on votes to keep their jobs.

 

[grandjoeblue]

It will be back to normal well before that, normality will resume when the pandemic is over and the pandemic will be over when the people decide its over, judging by what's going on around Europe that decision has almost been made. There's no way governments will keep up the lockdown/restrictions for much longer, these are people who rely on votes to keep their jobs.

Small scale protests won't make an impact. These current protests will be crushed by the police in a week or two.

 

[MikeH72]

It will be back to normal well before that, normality will resume when the pandemic is over and the pandemic will be over when the people decide its over, judging by what's going on around Europe that decision has almost been made. There's no way governments will keep up the lockdown/restrictions for much longer, these are people who rely on votes to keep their jobs.

It looks like people have reached their tipping point with power-hungry dictators trying to run their lives now.

 

[Tipp blue]

Small scale protests won't make an impact. These current protests will be crushed by the police in a week or two.

Maybe, but when the next wave comes along, and lockdowns are mentioned the protests won't be as small..

 

[Hickson9]

All the people moaning about possible vaccine mandates etc.

How about you just take the vaccine? Sorted.

I'd have sympathy if there was even one legitimate reason to not take the vaccine - but there isn't. Just cryarsing lunatics.

 

[Tipp blue]

It looks like people have reached their tipping point with power-hungry dictators trying to run their lives now.

I genuinely believe that it's not power hunger, they are trying their best to do right for the people but as you say the tipping point has been reached, when the people decide that they are happy to live with the risk of a virus like we do with many dangerous diseases then there's not much governments can do.

 

[Ghost Rider]

All the people moaning about possible vaccine mandates etc.

How about you just take the vaccine? Sorted.

I'd have sympathy if there was even one legitimate reason to not take the vaccine - but there isn't. Just cryarsing lunatics.

There is pretty serious side effects and a whole host of minor side effects. There is the notion that people just haven't had covid at all and therefore don't need to vaccinate themselves against a virus that have never caught so never been a danger to others regarding it.

As the wife always tells me. If you had a bag of 100 sweets and one of them could harm you but the other 99 wouldnt , it's personal choice whether you take the risk given the 99% chance you will be fine.

 

[Brennan]

There is pretty serious side effects and a whole host of minor side effects. There is the notion that people just haven't had covid at all and therefore don't need to vaccinate themselves against a virus that have never caught so never been a danger to others regarding it.

As the wife always tells me. If you had a bag of 100 sweets and one of them could harm you but the other 99 wouldnt , it's personal choice whether you take the risk given the 99% chance you will be fine.

What a ridiculous analogy lol

 

[Hickson9]

There is pretty serious side effects and a whole host of minor side effects. There is the notion that people just haven't had covid at all and therefore don't need to vaccinate themselves against a virus that have never caught so never been a danger to others regarding it.

As the wife always tells me. If you had a bag of 100 sweets and one of them could harm you but the other 99 wouldnt , it's personal choice whether you take the risk given the 99% chance you will be fine.

You're just chatting complete and utter wham.

If you haven't taken the vaccine, through choice, then you're an imbecile.

One of the best things about getting past this pandemic will be not having to read the cryarsing from the lunatic fringe - though they'll inevitable move on to something else.

 

[TN Toffee]

What you aren't grasping mate, is a Doctor is a human, Doctors dont loose fundamental human rights when they enter medical school or practice or work in area - you cant murder a Doctor because they are Doctor, therefore they have the same right to agency, bodily integrity and informed consent as you do. You cant gain and loose Human rights, they apply to everyone, unless you go down the appropriate safe guarding routes in terms of mantel health and capacity.

What you are suggesting is coercion and duress applied to give consent by materially depriving to elicit consent again breach of human rights.

A doctor who doesn't believe in medicine shouldn't have the right to practice medicine. Should a person who doesn't believe in God be allowed to be a minister/priest?

 

[Ghost Rider]

You're just chatting complete and utter wham.

If you haven't taken the vaccine, through choice, then you're an imbecile.

One of the best things about getting past this pandemic will be not having to read the cryarsing from the lunatic fringe - though they'll inevitable move on to something else.

The wife had quite serious side effects and ended up in hospital after the second jab.

So what wham are you referring to? I've had my booster even after that , so has the wife. Partly because she is now on about 2/3 tablets every day as a result from the side effects to stop them coming back.

Before you accuse people of talking wham about real life stuff, consider there may be real life things that have happened to influence their words? Otherwise you just come across looking silly ?

 

[Walken]

There is pretty serious side effects and a whole host of minor side effects. There is the notion that people just haven't had covid at all and therefore don't need to vaccinate themselves against a virus that have never caught so never been a danger to others regarding it.

As the wife always tells me. If you had a bag of 100 sweets and one of them could harm you but the other 99 wouldnt , it's personal choice whether you take the risk given the 99% chance you will be fine.

Your wife is as big of a moron as you are

 

[Ghost Rider]

Your wife is as big of a moron as you are

Lovely attitude to have. I'm sure she would have appreciated it this morning taking her medication for her issues now since , or when she was sat in a hospital bed at 3am, 6 months ago by herself.

And you wonder why some people don't want to get the jab? Because people like you are telling them to get it.