Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[LinekersLegs]

 

[grandjoeblue]

Doesn't take long for anti-maskers to become anti-vaxxers I see

Just a point on masks. If they do make them mandatory they should copy the rule from Austria that they have to be FFP2 masks. People use all sorts of bandanas, scarfs and dodgy cloth masks in the UK.

In Austria the supermarkets sell the FFP2 masks for about 60 cents each which isn't too expensive.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Just a point on masks. If they do make them mandatory they should copy the rule from Austria that they have to be FFP2 masks. People use all sorts of bandanas, scarfs and dodgy cloth masks in the UK.

In Austria the supermarkets sell the FFP2 masks for about 60 cents each which isn't too expensive.

Do kids wear FFP2 as well? over there in AUT

 

[peteblue]

It’s looking more and more like the U.K. called it right on this by opening up for the summer months.….

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Deleted member 48881]

They have. Lockdowns will obviously work to prevent pure case numbers, but vaccines mean we don't have to lock down because the impact of cases on hospitalisations and deaths is severed.

Without vaccines, with the lives we're leading now, you'd be seeing incredible amounts of fatalities, completely overrun hospitals. The only alternative would be nigh on perpetual lockdown.

But Europe as a whole is exactly the same as last year at the mo, lockdowns and protests, people being depressed as hell.

I doubt vaccines were developed only to make last year's situation not going worse?

 

[tsubaki]

It’s looking more and more like the U.K. called it right on this by opening up for the summer months.….

How do you work that out? We are only not seeing cases skyrocket because we are already at a really high level, with between 600 and 1000 deaths a week.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Do kids wear FFP2 as well? over there in AUT

Can't remember exact ages but under a certain age which was about 13 I think are allowed to wear cloth masks and I think under 5 don't have to wear one.

 

[Tubey]

But Europe as a whole is exactly the same as last year at the mo, lockdowns and protests, people being depressed as hell.

I doubt vaccines were developed only to make last year's situation not going worse?

Because their governments have gone berserk. No need to lock down now in the slightest. Check the German death figures - 83 million population, 200 odd deaths a day. They've lost the plot, no wonder there's riots.

 

[Neiler]

You're properly missing the point here. lol

A job role having requirements does not breach anyones human rights in the slightest. It's mad how you think otherwise - it's like you can't disentangle being a human and being a doctor.

Not being funny here mate, but your just not getting this, people are human - regardless of jobs and all have fundamental human rights, enshrined by human rights legislation. Im not sure what you dont understand. You have the same rights as a Doctor - maybe thats simpler for you, hopefully your employer doesn't decide its a requirement of your job to take a kidney after lunch, but you might be cool with that. lol

 

[Tubey]

Not being funny here mate, but your just not getting this, people are human - regardless of jobs and all have fundamental human rights, enshrined by human rights legislation. Im not sure what you dont understand. You have the same rights as a Doctor - maybe thats simpler for you, hopefully your employer doesn't decide its a requirement of your job to take a kidney after lunch, but you might be cool with that. lol

Yeah and you're not getting forced to have the jab; the role is. How on earth aren't you getting this???!

If you don't do it, you're no longer a doctor and you haven't been forced to take it, so it hasn't infringed on your human rights.

As I've plainly shown you already, vaccine mandates already exist all over the world for the medical profession.

Occupational Health Vaccinations NHS - Vaccinations & Blood Tests

We have a variety of occupational health vaccinations and blood tests available. To book an appointment near you, get in touch.

occupationalhealthportsmouth.nhs.uk

This isn't new. It's not infringing your human rights in the slightest. You need to step back and look at this again as you're plainly not understanding it.

 

[tsubaki]

Because their governments have gone berserk. No need to lock down now in the slightest. Check the German death figures - 83 million population, 200 odd deaths a day. They've lost the plot, no wonder there's riots.

It’s a question of whether it’s going to be 1000 plus deaths a week (edit: sorry, a day) if they think it will, the earlier the lockdown the better.

 

[Neiler]

Yeah and you're not getting forced to have the jab; the role is. How on earth aren't you getting this???!

If you don't do it, you're no longer a doctor and you haven't been forced to take it, so it hasn't infringed on your human rights.

As I've plainly shown you already, vaccine mandates already exist all over the world for the medical profession.

Occupational Health Vaccinations NHS - Vaccinations & Blood Tests

We have a variety of occupational health vaccinations and blood tests available. To book an appointment near you, get in touch.

occupationalhealthportsmouth.nhs.uk

This isn't new. It's not infringing your human rights in the slightest. You need to step back and look at this again as you're plainly not understanding it.

Man, people fill roles and are humans all have the same rights - this is quite amazing.

One of the safeguards around providing informed consent is the use of coercion, if you loose employment or are materially deprived to be put under duress for medical intervention against your will, then that coercion - as I've already said.

Its duress to give informed consent - breach of human rights.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Your last sentence is a bit pie in the sky mate. There is a reason this is planned for April, the Government and wider society would be naive to think there won’t be a four fold impact here, no body knows the ethics around better then health care professionals: 1) There is a risk people will resign and leave service until the Pandemic is over, it’s not very cushy number at the moment any way, it’s a very valid choice if you just don’t want the vaccine. 2) This will be challenged legally I can tell you a vaccine mandate could be challenged under several human rights convention and that trumps policy. 3) The threat of industrial action, could you imagine a strike in the middle of this. 4) I can tell you its an employees market out there for health care professionals at the moment, there is far more need than there are people. best of luck trying to recruit people, while everyone flipping burgers in MCds. Who wants to work in a service were you don’t have a right to bodily consent, turn you right of the NHS.

The reason the Goverment are doing this in April is they want the very people they are going to strip rights from, to get through the awful winter months and then nail them.

We respectfully disagree on mandates but I won’t rehash that ground.

But on a wider point I unfortunately feel that staffing levels are going to be a problem whichever route you go. Some staff will leave if there are mandates, if you don’t have mandates and there are low vaccination rates then some staff will leave because they don’t want to work with unvaccinated co-workers and you’ll likely have higher rates of staff leaving because of illness. Also healthcare staff will generally reflect local communities attitudes and so those workplaces with low vaccination rates will probably have higher demand burdens during a covid wave so more burnout/stress on all.

Add in tragic losses like this


and I very much worry about staffing levels overall as a result of covid irrespective of mandates and don’t think anywhere is really gearing up enough to figure out how to recruit the numbers we’ll likely need.

 

[peteblue]

How do you work that out? We are only not seeing cases skyrocket because we are already at a really high level, with between 600 and 1000 deaths a week.

Indeed, but our cases have been happening during the summer months when Europe were referring to us as ‘plague island’ as the delta variant took hold. Most people here have either been double/triple jabbed or caught it and got over it, and the country stayed open. Europe will now see a big upturn in numbers, endure lock downs, etc but during the winter months when hospitals fill up anyway…..