Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Deleted member 48881]

Extinct or immune, yeah. I’ve still got a fairly high antibody count 12 months on from having covid.

Yeah, that was my point.

 

[maccavennie]

100% the goal posts will be moved, like everything we've been fed during the past 18 months.
More and more people are seeing right through this BS now and its great to see.

Does anyone really think if we comply with the vaccinations, booster after booster, vaccine mandates for jobs, for kids, that after all this we will go back to the life we once knew pre-covid?

Of course not and the simple reason is because COVID isn't going to disappear.

Until we can get a firm grip of it (be that vaccines, boosters, new forms of medicine) then every time there is a wave, there will always be a risk of it overwhelming the health system. When that happens, unfortunately things have to be considered (such as restrictions/lockdowns)

The life we had pre covid has gone and barring some miracle we won't ever get back to that kind of freedom without having to comply with something. But if that's what it takes, then that's what it takes.

I've had my vaccines, I've booked in to get my booster this week, if I have to do it again next year I will and the year after and the year after.

Just my own opinion of course though mate.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

The life we had pre covid has gone and barring some miracle we won't ever get back to that

Do you mean to say, even if we got firm grip of it as you put it, 2019 like life is gone forever? ???

 

[Ghost Rider]

Of course not and the simple reason is because COVID isn't going to disappear.

Until we can get a firm grip of it (be that vaccines, boosters, new forms of medicine) then every time there is a wave, there will always be a risk of it overwhelming the health system. When that happens, unfortunately things have to be considered (such as restrictions/lockdowns)

The life we had pre covid has gone and barring some miracle we won't ever get back to that kind of freedom without having to comply with something. But if that's what it takes, then that's what it takes.

I've had my vaccines, I've booked in to get my booster this week, if I have to do it again next year I will and the year after and the year after.

Just my own opinion of course though mate.

The only people overwhelming the NHS covid wise are the ones who haven't been vaccinated , or unlucky enough to have not been jabbed twice in the time frame.

Which does kinda play into the forced vaccination that Europe are starting to do.

I wonder if the short term, it won't be covid overwhelming the NHS but the effect covid has in the last 18 months, regarding other health issues. However covid will remain the focused illness with daily numbers etc.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Germany are claiming they are about to have their worst wave ever. 78.6% of the adult population are fully vaccinated, 85.8% of over 60s are fully vaccinated.

I did expect the vaccines to prevent worst ever waves.

 

[tsubaki]

Germany are claiming they are about to have their worst wave ever. 78.6% of the adult population are fully vaccinated, 85.8% of over 60s are fully vaccinated.

I did expect the vaccines to prevent worst ever waves.

Some of us did try to warn you.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Some of us did try to warn you.

Your solution hasn't worked anywhere in Europe. The only places were it has worked have been shut for over a year and still have restrictions. When they try to remove the restrictions cases rise massively.

Even if we had your mythical test and trace system we'd still end up under lockdown.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Germany are claiming they are about to have their worst wave ever. 78.6% of the adult population are fully vaccinated, 85.8% of over 60s are fully vaccinated.

I did expect the vaccines to prevent worst ever waves.

Will Pfizer acknowledge this though?

 

[tsubaki]

Your solution hasn't worked anywhere in Europe. The only places were it has worked have been shut for over a year and still have restrictions. When they try to remove the restrictions cases rise massively.

Even if we had your mythical test and trace system we'd still end up under lockdown.

They’ve not been “shut for over a year”though - that is a complete fib. Where the restrictions are removed some places have gone up (as they always were going to) but I’m not aware of anywhere that’s lost control of it yet. Even SK is running at between 2000 and 3000 new cases a day, not 30000 to 40000 as we are.

If we had an effective test and trace system, we’d be less likely to go into lockdown, have less cases, less hospitalisations and less deaths. I’d have thought this would be obvious by now but it seems not, so I guess we are going to have to have another dose of reality.

edit: sorry, one thing I should have added there is that T&T is only one part of the response, vaccination and education are others as is improving the public health and healthcare systems itself. In Europe and especially here we need to radically up our game

 

[grandjoeblue]

They’ve not been “shut for over a year”though - that is a complete fib. Where the restrictions are removed some places have gone up (as they always were going to) but I’m not aware of anywhere that’s lost control of it yet. Even SK is running at between 2000 and 3000 new cases a day, not 30000 to 40000 as we are.

If we had an effective test and trace system, we’d be less likely to go into lockdown, have less cases, less hospitalisations and less deaths. I’d have thought this would be obvious by now but it seems not, so I guess we are going to have to have another dose of reality.

SK and others still have various industries under massive restrictions. Large events can't take place, cinemas etc have only just opened, rules around group numbers at restaurants, borders basically closed etc etc. Essentially they are living under what a lot of people in the UK would classify as a lockdown.

Europe seemed to have better measures over the summer but their cases have now increased massively and they are likely to have a bigger peak than the UK.

 

[Walken]

Doesn't take long for anti-maskers to become anti-vaxxers I see

 

[tsubaki]

Doesn't take long for anti-maskers to become anti-vaxxers I see

all calling for freem

 

[Deleted member 48881]

What a way to put it ??

 

[Tubey]

What you aren't grasping mate, is a Doctor is a human, Doctors dont loose fundamental human rights when they enter medical school or practice or work in area - you cant murder a Doctor because they are Doctor, therefore they have the same right to agency, bodily integrity and informed consent as you do. You cant gain and loose Human rights, they apply to everyone, unless you go down the appropriate safe guarding routes in terms of mantel health and capacity.

What you are suggesting is coercion and duress applied to give consent by materially depriving to elicit consent again breach of human rights.

You're properly missing the point here. lol

A job role having requirements does not breach anyones human rights in the slightest. It's mad how you think otherwise - it's like you can't disentangle being a human and being a doctor.

 

[Tubey]

Germany are claiming they are about to have their worst wave ever. 78.6% of the adult population are fully vaccinated, 85.8% of over 60s are fully vaccinated.

I did expect the vaccines to prevent worst ever waves.

They have. Lockdowns will obviously work to prevent pure case numbers, but vaccines mean we don't have to lock down because the impact of cases on hospitalisations and deaths is severed.

Without vaccines, with the lives we're leading now, you'd be seeing incredible amounts of fatalities, completely overrun hospitals. The only alternative would be nigh on perpetual lockdown.