What you’re not grasping is that the risk of those conditions is much higher if you get covid compared with having the vaccine
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ForeverBlue92
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But who's to say you'll indefinitely catch COVID?
I've never had the flu and taking an annual booster every 6 months is potentially risky being male under 30 than the chance of catching COVID once never mind every 6-12 months.
The new pill treatments hopefully take less reliance on the vaccines but ultimately we have to ensure the vaccines are made as safe as possible if they are to become part of the norm of life.
They currently are not imo for young males in particular to be given on a 6-12 month basis.
Covid is not the same as the flu ffs. Also, an annual booster is not going to be every 6 months because the word annual is literally in the name.
Again, you are more likely to get complications from covid than the vaccine. Whether you are a young male or not
Again, you are more likely to get complications from covid than the vaccine. Whether you are a young male or not
Covid, especially Delta, is far more contagious than flu - it was the reason why even when covid was still spready widely in 2020 the flu was not. That you have previously avoided catching the flu is fortunate, doesn’t mean that same luck will hold with Covid.
The COVID-19 delta variant is almost as contagious as chickenpox
COVID-19 is constantly evolving, which means its contagiousness is too. The delta variant, for example, is at least twice as transmissible as the original.
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Ghost Rider
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This comment I have seen since the beginning, it's not like the flu.
It isn't , in both virus DNA and symptoms.
But the end result after medicine and vaccines.....makes it like the flu. Something that can kill old and vunerable without prior vaccination and something generally that won't kill younger people anyway.
Truth is , a year on from now there won't be any more risk to covid than there would be with the flu. The long term theory I put to any argument like this , is would covid have been as deadly if people already had antibodies compared to having none at all? So in the future , will this massive wave of antibodies into entire countries render covid much less harmful?
Covid 5 years from now, how harmful is it going to be when everyone has antibodies for it and medicine?
So mad how him and the likes of trump and Bolsonaro don’t like to wear the masks. I think it’s some weird macho thing.
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Or in the pocket of big pharma.
I'm a firm believer that everybody should have a choice.
However, it is someone's choice to have a frontline health care job. It may not seem that way, but everybody does have a choice whether to go into that or not - and thank God they do!
But that choice comes with caveats.
It's like saying you want to be in the army, but don't want weapons training?
I never agree with the premise to be honest with you mate.
It’s the “you signed up for this“, that’s just rationalisation for the extreme suffering experienced by those in healthcare, it’s not true, no one signs up for employment thinking it’s going to put them or their family at risk of chronic illness or death. I know you are thinking in the main about medics and nurses, but health care is far more broad. There are physios, OTs, SALT, Dieticans all being surge trained in essential social care provision in the event of a service provision break down at the moment. The premise is akin to you working in the media somehow getting caught up in an a horrfffic event like the bombing at the gig in Manchester and saying it comes as part of the job, you knew there would be a risk however minor of a life threatening event.
Again not accepting the occupation supersedes personal agency, consent and choice in terms of bodily integrity, what you suggest is that to strip certain occupations of human rights, based purely on a skill they hold and practice for the betterment of society. While wanting to maintain winder societies rights and your own decide your own vaccine choices and trajectory, that’s double standards mate. If we were to apply the same premise to your own opinions (that you are entitled to make) and someone decided for the greater good that you had to be forced to take your booster against your will - you wouldn’t be happy or in agreement with it and you’d be right not to be. Yet the opposite applies to how you feel these human rights should be applied to fellow citizens based on a decarmcation of occupation. If that oks and the principal is sound why not force everyone to have their three jabs, four, whatever someone thinks is for the greater good?
It’s quite amazing to me that people would be so against another lock down happening, based on their own circumstances, but are perfectly happy to remove consent, agency and human rights from others - actually contributing to this crisis, when it doesn’t effect them. 12 months ago people were out in their gardens clapping health care workers, now people want to inject them against their will and remove human rights - it’s lord of the flies stuff mate.
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I just think given all that has gone on, people working in frontline healthcare services should really be vaccinated. There are plenty of examples of other jobs where you have to have things to get them? Why should this be different?
For example, you need to have specialist training to do loads of jobs. You need to have health and safety training if you're going to be a construction manager. You need to wear a hard hat on construction sites. You need to have certain qualifications to work with vulnerable people etc.
So I do agree that I hate that I feel this way but I think it's ultimately part and parcel that people working in these sectors (front line, face-to-face) should be vaccinated. I don't think that should be extended to the boosters, unless they start insisting that everyone (including people my age) should get boosters too...
I will get a booster if there is evidence it's needed, btw. I'm just not convinced there is that yet but by the time it comes around to my age there may well be, and if that's the case then I'll get it.
But if I was working in a hospital, then I'd probably expect it to come with the territory. It's not about signing a way your autonomy, it's just knowing that certain jobs need certain measures and after a pandemic it would seem likely that it's needed.
For me, it's akin to requiring a surgeon to wash their hands and wear a mask and gloves when undergoing a surgical procedure. It's part of the role - it's done to protect the patient. If you aren't prepared to do it, then you wave goodbye to the choice of being a surgeon.
Likewise, if you're working with people who are by definition varying degrees of sick, then the job requirement should include taking measures that limit risk to those people.
If they don't want the vaccine, fine - all it means is you don't want your job. They have the right to choose - go and work in McDonald's or whatever instead. I have absolutely zero sympathy for them.
That's my feeling. The choice is there; they choose to do that job, and like I said I am eternally grateful that they do. But the vaccine is an extra layer of protection for themselves, first and foremost, and then yes the more staff are vaccinated it'll help control any spread between them and therefore other patients.
Im not sure those are good comparisons mate. For example like a hard hat, I wear full body PPE if with a Covid patient, that’s health and safety, I have a requirement to complete so many credits, hours CPD annually to meet my registration in terms of compliance with profession, I pay an annual registration fee and am regulated by an external body and accountable, that is a akin and more compatible to the health and safety, training and regualtion examples you give. Those example aren’t comparable to removing informed consent, bodily integrity and agency as enshrined by rights under the UN convention. In fact If I removed consent in my practice with a patient I could be struck of my professional register.
The scope of this isn’t a simple tick box of health safety or condition of employment, its invasive medical treatment taken into your body with or without consent, if that ethically wrong in practice, its ethically wrong in the treatment of Heath care professionals.
I want all health care professionals vaccinated to the maximum possible, I do however have a massive problem with the ethical pathway, it’s a fundamental breach of human rights in my opinion and a very dangerous precedent will be set if it comes to pass. Most of society won’t bat an eye lid here, mainly because it doesn’t effect them, but also because from a self serving perspective, if they ever did need health care provision they’d like the reassurance of knowing their providers vaccine status.
Anyhow, ill get if my soap box now, not meaning to have a go personally, you know I respect your opinions, just feel passionately on this one.
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