Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Blimey.

Cases down here have gone absolutely ape. No idea if its cos the 40000 false neg tests have just been lobbed into the figures, (wouldnt surprise me), as positives, but masks and SD have been pretty much observed ever since the restrictions were lifted.
Probably a combination of the erroneous numbers being added and lots of people going about the community thinking they aren’t infectious when they actually are. That’s a lot of people going about their business thinking they are clear of covid and so naturally numbers will increase.
 
Well I suppose that's the issue. Are people gonna bother if all those stipulations are in place?

Vaccinated people can still get COVID, but if the thing that actually allows you to do stuff is an antigen test, not the vaccines, then what's the point in getting a vaccine (if you're one of those people who isn't arsed about your own safety and would only get a vaccine if it gives you freedom etc)

Basically mate, there's no solution that doesn't create a lot of issues

Really what’s the point of getting the vaccine anyway, if people can walk into a pub, club, restraunt or gig without a mask or a Covid passport now. If say that changed over night and entry was granted only to those vaccinated with proof via passport and unvaccinated required a antigen cert, I think that encourages people to get vaccinated - as they won’t want to do antigen testing every day if they want a pint, meal or go to a gig etc.

I think the problem with the introduction in the U.K. mate is it’s locking the door after the horse is bolted, like @Billy Dean said in Germany it’s common practice and accepted norm that you either need your vaccine passport or negative antigen cert to access hospitality or entertainment. It’s an accepted norm because it has always been the case, in the U.K. it would be considered regressive. Doesn’t make it any less of an apt strategy I think.

This is seems to be the reoccurring point, seems like its imbedded in the psyche that vaccinations = normal life and no risks or worries, when really despite great protection, other safety measures in key periods may need to be considered and introduced. I think thats a mental journey for a lot of society as the winter unfolds. It’s a good question - what motivates pele to get vaccinated? Is it to protect self? Protect others? Protect the country? Get it because everyone is? Or your bored of lock down and want to do stuff? Probably all those things are true.

But it’s irrelevent in a way, we are almost 20 months into this, we’ve expierenced much, seen trends and learned a lot to manage risk at this stage we should be wiser - we should be able to keep,society and sectors open with a range of measures some I listed earlier, like I say I see things like antigen testing or passports for access to hospitality and entertainment as key over the winter in particular.
 
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That Moderna won’t share its vaccine recipe, despite it only existing because of public funding and huge carve-outs like no legal responsibilities for side effects and protections on the price paid domestically, is disgusting

It’s horrendous. This sort of thing has happened in the past. There was a huge issue with AIDS drugs where the Clinton/Gore government tried to block countries hit harder by AIDS from making the drugs at almost cost price. Luckily they eventually folded and it saved millions of lives. Sadly many were lost in the legal wrangling before that.

I find it strange that pharma companies don’t understand the power of PR (I’m not going to bother with the general humanity of it as that won’t cut through for them). If Moderna of Pfizer opened up to allow companies in Africa and South America and Asia to produce their own versions of the vaccines they would be seen as saviours across the World. They would open themselves up to be the go to companies when anything like this happens again.

And as you say, they’ve developed these vaccines through having all the money in the world thrown at them. They will plead R&D costs but a lot of that is bull****.
 
Probably a combination of the erroneous numbers being added and lots of people going about the community thinking they aren’t infectious when they actually are. That’s a lot of people going about their business thinking they are clear of covid and so naturally numbers will increase.
Whatever the breakdown between the two reasons, the rise in case numbers is pretty striking
 
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