Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Is the problem not more that the flu is a known quantity in terms of how it spreads, its mortality rate, pathology, potential to mutate etc, whereas a new strain of virus spreading unchecked which we know/knew very little about is potentially extremely dangerous?

I assume the worry is, that right now, only a fraction of the world's population actually has the virus, mainly because of the authoritarian methods of control and quarantine that China put in place.

I am an expat who lives in Xi'an/China, and we have been locked down for weeks.
Everybody has kept their distance from each other, wear masks etc, and have been in isolation for a long time now (we get out for 2 hours every two days but don't congregate, wear masks etc). It is difficult to see how a virus could spread under these conditions, but equally under the present conditions in the UK and Europe it's difficult to see how it could not spread. UK's method seems to be to ask people if they've been to China and do they have a cough! They don't seem to realize that it's everywhere now, and will be coming in from a wide range of people and different countries!

I don't think similar methods as in China are going to be implemented in the UK, and the US government especially seems to be in an utter state of denial over this. It's almost as if their solution to keeping the numbers down, is not to test people in the first place!

When you look at how quickly this virus spread in China, you also have to factor in the methods of containment used, and then ask yourself if such drastic methods are not applied elsewhere, then what will the numbers be? Because once this thing gets a foothold= whoosh...

Don't get me wrong, I know it's not the Black Death, but if it really is 10 or 20 times more deadly than the flu, then it really could potentially kill millions. Add to that, as well, that nobody really understands what it is yet, or what it could become and then yeah...it's a concern...

Yes more people are dying, and have died of the flu this season, but at this stage Corona Virus is not anywhere near as ubiquitous, which is why it needs to be contained. Once the viral load of the flu, and the viral load of Corona in the general population are about equal, what then?

Once it is basically everywhere, because it has not been controlled properly, then a 2 percent death rate could potentially kill millions.
 
I assume the worry is, that right now, only a fraction of the world's population actually has the virus, mainly because of the authoritarian methods of control and quarantine that China put in place.

I am an expat who lives in Xi'an/China, and we have been locked down for weeks.
Everybody has kept their distance from each other, wear masks etc, and have been in isolation for a long time now (we get out for 2 hours every two days but don't congregate, wear masks etc). It is difficult to see how a virus could spread under these conditions, but equally under the present conditions in the UK and Europe it's difficult to see how it could not spread. UK's method seems to be to ask people if they've been to China and do they have a cough! They don't seem to realize that it's everywhere now, and will be coming in from a wide range of people and different countries!

I don't think similar methods as in China are going to be implemented in the UK, and the US government especially seems to be in an utter state of denial over this. It's almost as if their solution to keeping the numbers down, is not to test people in the first place!

When you look at how quickly this virus spread in China, you also have to factor in the methods of containment used, and then ask yourself if such drastic methods are not applied elsewhere, then what will the numbers be? Because once this thing gets a foothold= whoosh...

Don't get me wrong, I know it's not the Black Death, but if it really is 10 or 20 times more deadly than the flu, then it really could potentially kill millions. Add to that, as well that nobody really understands what it really is yet, or what it could become.

Yes more people are dying, and have died of the flu this season, but at this stage Corona Virus is not anywhere near as ubiquitous, which is why it needs to be contained. Once the viral load of the flu, and the viral load of Corona in the general population are about equal, what then?

Once it is basically everywhere, because it has not been controlled properly, then a 2 percent death rate could potentially kill millions.
Is it known why more people have died of flu, crappy weather with a lack of frost etc? Austerity governments? Or just aging populations?
 
Is it known why more people have died of flu, crappy weather with a lack of frost etc? Austerity governments? Or just aging populations?

My assumption would be that this virus is new, and exists in relatively very small numbers at the moment.

A virus is basically a parasite (although not technically alive) and it needs a living host in order to replicate itself. However because it is very new it has not been reproduced in numbers anywhere close to the average flu virus, so despite being more deadly (allegedly) less people are dying from it.

I’m only guessing there and certainly no expert but it kinda makes sense to me to think of it like that!
 
My assumption would be that this virus is new, and exists in relatively very small numbers at the moment.

A virus is basically a parasite (although not technically alive) and it needs a living host in order to replicate itself. However because it is very new it has not been reproduced in numbers anywhere close to the average flu virus, so despite being more deadly (allegedly) less people are dying from it.

I’m only guessing there and certainly no expert but it kinda makes sense to me to think of it like that!
No i meant more people dying of the flu this year than previous years, unless I've read that wrong and you meant more people had died of the flu than the corona, i am a few beers deep. Appreciate the info regardless
 
No i meant more people dying of the flu this year than previous years, unless I've read that wrong and you meant more people had died of the flu than the corona, i am a few beers deep. Appreciate the info regardless


Overall not that high...comparatively... at least in the US. Think we are up to 18K. That is the low end of the range though. No way to know the actual number...they have formulas that will create a range once the season is over.

Hitting kids harder this year.


Couple years ago was a bad year.

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US has apparently so far tested < 500 people (as of Thursday night).

But don’t worry, Mike Pence is on the case.
Yeah and as @RAFUH has pointed out below with the 2nd community spread California case, just because they aren't looking for it doesn't mean it isn't here.

Again it doesn't mean "panic" by any stretch but it would be kinda nice to know that the people who have it aren't for instance doing food prep for a large retirement home.
 
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Yeah and as @RAFUH has pointed out below with the 2nd community spread California case, just because they aren't looking for it doesn't mean it isn't here.

Again it doesn't mean "panic" by any stretch but it would be kinda nice to know that the people who have it aren't for instance doing food prep for a large retirement home.
It’s ok. Trump says there’s only 15 cases and shortly there will be 5, then none.
 
I had been a bit taken aback early in the week at statements by some market analytics firms that were subtly intimating that this administration's handling of the situation bore more similarities to Iran than to South Korea. When you're saying things like "we increasingly find it hard to believe" that there are not more cases in the US, you're at a minimum insinuating deception if not out and out calling the government a bunch of liars.

Now the problem with the administration's approach is plain enough to see. If you don't test for it because you don't want to find it and panic the markets, you don't find it. But the markets are smarter than that, and they panicked anyway because the trend towards global community spread was clear enough.

Does anyone else find it ironic that the whole point of being a private company is that you don't have to manage to the demands of financial markets, and yet when the voters installed the head of a private company in the presidency he immediately began trying to manage to the demands of financial markets with potentially disastrous consequences?
 
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