Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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But it's defo possible. How often throughout this pandemic have countries assumed they were back on the straight and narrow only to lock down again as cases soared? Personally, I think it's dafter to drop every single restriction and for the message to be "everything is fine again", as people won't feel the need to exercise discretion or caution going forward. I hope it works out for the UK, but from everything I have seen the last couple of years, it is an enormous gamble

Oh definitely.

But, and I know this sounds incredible reliant on the vaccines, but that's where we are - they're working, ridiculously well.

Cases have already soared here. Look at the numbers over the past few weeks. Yet deaths haven't.

It's a gamble, but every country in the world is going to have to make it. The UK is in the best position it has been to make it. It's got the summer holidays, the fact it's warmer weather, and 55% vaccine coverage. That latter needs to improve obviously, but boosters to come too for over 50s.

I would have kept masks mandatory but other than that, I'm all for everything that is now happening to happen because it simply had to. People's lives have been knackered by this and it's not on now, they can't just be told they don't matter. It's relying on people to be sensible and think of others - I know, sadly, that that's the risk.

The government need to sort out isolation/track and trace and what it means for contacts. Reduce the isolation period so people aren't trying to avoid that too, 10 days out of anyone's life is too much. I compare it to this - you work your arse off for a year and, if your lucky, you get 10 days on holiday. It's a long time and 18 months in there should be a better solution.
 
Forgive me for my stupidity - and i'm pretty sure i'm missing the point with this isolation stuff but:

I understand how this track and trace system worked in the early days - but now we have a number of quick and easy ways to establish whether or not a person actually has covid

Why would you need to isolate just off a 'ping' when you can self test and find out if you have it or not?!
Well this is the thing, you shouldn't have to.

Or maybe you should, for a day or two, but as long as you get two negative PCRs you can leave isolation, with the proviso you have to PCR again on day 5 or something.

It's easily workable.
 
Two reasons - firstly you need to ensure you have taken the tests and got the necessary results, and secondly the fact the person might have been exposed needs to get to people who can make use of the information.
So basically because the tests are being carried out by non-professionals the results of them cannot be trusted?

And do what with that information?
 
There will be a lot of people planning to get their second (or first) vaccine doses in the next few weeks who are now having to take a major risk that they'll get Covid and therefore have to delay the dose.

I'm one of these people. Nobbers who think it's a massive hinderance to wear a mask in Tesco now mean i'll be at a higher risk of both getting covid and not being able to get my second vaccine as planned. Through no fault of my own.

But hey, FREEDOM.
If you didn't receive any of your jab, you shouldn't be out and about that much mate. Tesco yeah, basic needs, but you wear your mask, quick 3-4 min shopping won't make you sick.
 
So basically because the tests are being carried out by non-professionals the results of them cannot be trusted?

And do what with that information?

Yes, because we don’t know if the tests have been carried out and what the results really are. For many reasons there can be a lot of reasons why someone might fib a test result; they might be unable to isolate due to their financial situation, housing etc.

Also government (and to a lesser extent businesses) need to know who is actually ill, what their contacts are etc etc. That’s the only way they can ever hope to contain outbreaks, and prevent fraud.
 

Monday is surrender day, not freedom day, in England​


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Unhook your mask! Hark the virus-laden cheers! Monday is Freedom Day, when England lifts coronavirus restrictions in the face of soaring transmission. Infections now run at 54,000 new cases daily. Still, businesses can throw open their doors. Mask mandates are out and the legal requirements for social distancing binned.

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The government, which says a summer surge in disease is better than a winter one, insists we must learn to live with the virus and is offloading responsibility for managing the pandemic on to individuals and businesses. In truth Monday is Surrender Day as England waves a white flag to the virus and embarks on a strategy of mass infection.

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