Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Pubs have been serving "takeaway" for months. Any pub where you can stick a table and chair outside has been open. They cant have people inside.

Cinema's still closed I think. Sports venues still pretty limited although 16k allowed at so.e upcoming gaa finals.

All restaurants are open for indoor on the 26th July for fully vaccinated.

Cinemas are open mate!
 
Had the 2nd shot today

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Case numbers beginning to rise over here, they put delta variant at around 70% of all new infections. It was elow 10% about 2-3 weeks ago.

Very slight increase in hospitalisations and ICU numbers but may not be cause and effect, too early to tell.

To be fair to the Irish government they are going flat out to get every adult vaccinated by end of August.

Yep, good chance we’ll be done by the end of August if we keep up the current pace. This data is from Weds. It excludes, the pharmacy data from the 18-34. The lag 60-69s is having to wait the long interval with AZ.

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Some interesting points there. Having a system thats been at 100% capacity for 10 years and then having a pandemic which results in cancer etc being much more problematic.

Whats odd is USA is completely open but as far as I can tell nobody is shouting for restrictions there. Delta has spread less in a lot of states (tory failure again).

I genuinely believe the NW will start to slow soon and deaths haven't been that bad in the third wave. Hopefully the rest of the country will be similar.
UK was hit hard initially by Delta because of its extensive India travel links without quarantine but unfortunately beginning to hit hard here in the US now.


Quite different politics, especially regionally, between UK and US - Missouri has a Delta wave currently but there is a lot of resistance to both mask and vaccines.

Tbh the concern for the 3rd UK COVID wave isn’t the resultant deaths, although obviously a huge tragedy for the families involved. The high vaccination rate among the elderly should keep it contained compared to previous waves.

It is the approx 3% hospitalization rate of cases overlaid on an exhausted workforce dealing with a backlog of other cases and an escalting A&E demand. As you say the long running strains on the NHS don’t provide much of a buffer either.

Long Covid among about ~10% of the younger unvaccinated is also seeming to get overlooked.
 
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Bit of a random one, but perhaps @mill has some thoughts. On the surface, there aren't any changes in population (I think CZ population actually fell last year) so you would think demand for houses wouldn't have changed. Then you have higher unemployment levels, which you would think would also affect demand.

On the other hand, you've got rock bottom interest rates and government stimulus spending that has seen people either get direct cash handouts or be placed on furlough. I know the stock market has been going great guns over the past year, but it seems house prices are another asset where inflation is running wild.

It’s basically the bottom part. As we are seeing all over, high earners (those that could generally still work from home say) have increased savings and wealth over the period as they’ve spent less. Lots of pent up demand. Lower earners, who were laid off etc, couldn’t afford houses anyway.

Low cost of capital as you say and I’d guess low supply, particularly over pandemic. You don’t need high volume for increase in prices in property. You are probably also getting most of the inflation from places like Prague which is hitting the overall figure (as you do with london).

just a guess really because I don’t know the specifics.
 
The testing is irrelevant mate, the rate of testing is the same as when there were 100 cases, it’s not a reason for the high incidence, it’s a wave of infection.

There is also big question marks on the quality of the U.K. tests and also method comparable to other countries. A real case of quantity over quality.

The testing isn't irrelevant at all, mate, when the point in question was why have Italy got near enough as many covid deaths from far fewer (33k approx) cases.

My point was, there'll be a lot more cases in Italy than officially recorded, because they aren't doing as many tests.

It wasn't a big up the UK post, we're just doing more tests so are finding more cases. Italy aren't testing as much and are finding fewer cases but the deaths are still similar.

It's either that, or it's solely the rate of vaccination - and Italy's rate of vaccination isn't awful by any means (albeit they haven't got as many doses as the UK have administered)
 
The testing isn't irrelevant at all, mate, when the point in question was why have Italy got near enough as many covid deaths from far fewer (33k approx) cases.

My point was, there'll be a lot more cases in Italy than officially recorded, because they aren't doing as many tests.

It wasn't a big up the UK post, we're just doing more tests so are finding more cases. Italy aren't testing as much and are finding fewer cases but the deaths are still similar.

It's either that, or it's solely the rate of vaccination - and Italy's rate of vaccination isn't awful by any means (albeit they haven't got as many doses as the UK have administered)

I know that mate - no worries, but you also need to compare to to the average mean to get the trend, for example say Italy and the UK are doing the same number of tests as six weeks ago. Italy had 20k cases, UK 100. That has flipped now with UK at 35 k and Italy with about 100. There is a dicenrable trend there, regardless of quantity. Testing numbers you take with a pinch of salt, because unless you are testing 100% of the population every week, they are all an incarcerate indication, particularly when you consider a symptomatic cases. I think we need to accept whats happening in the UK is another wave and not try and explain it away by a variable.

My suspicion on the deviation between the UK and rest of Europe is most of mainland Europe is where the UK was a month ago. When we look at the EU countries who are beginning to follow the concerning trend the UK have its us, Spain and Portugal in the vanguard. The UK is ground zero for the seeding of Delta, Ireland is its nearest neighbor with a common travel area agreement, we are about a couple of weeks ow behind, with a deteriorating virus picture because of that, we will see the wave you guys are. Spain and Portugal are travel mecca for tourists , that transient population is seeding Delta as we speak and their picture is deteriorating. As it grows the rest of the EU will now fall to this and we see high case numbers all across Europe in a fortnight. Where i work we already have our emergency plan in place ready to go on Monday, if needs be to deal with the inevitable wave.
 
They need to get the isolation period down first and foremost, after July 19th.

No way should anyone be having to isolate for 10 days with no chance of release. It's ridiculous.
 
I know that mate - no worries, but you also need to compare to to the average mean to get the trend, for example say Italy and the UK are doing the same number of tests as six weeks ago. Italy had 20k cases, UK 100. That has flipped now with UK at 35 k and Italy with about 100. There is a dicenrable trend there, regardless of quantity. Testing numbers you take with a pinch of salt, because unless you are testing 100% of the population every week, they are all an incarcerate indication, particularly when you consider a symptomatic cases. I think we need to accept whats happening in the UK is another wave and not try and explain it away by a variable.

My suspicion on the deviation between the UK and rest of Europe is most of mainland Europe is where the UK was a month ago. When we look at the EU countries who are beginning to follow the concerning trend the UK have its us, Spain and Portugal in the vanguard. The UK is ground zero for the seeding of Delta, Ireland is its nearest neighbor with a common travel area agreement, we are about a couple of weeks ow behind, with a deteriorating virus picture because of that, we will see the wave you guys are. Spain and Portugal are travel mecca for tourists , that transient population is seeding Delta as we speak and their picture is deteriorating. As it grows the rest of the EU will now fall to this and we see high case numbers all across Europe in a fortnight. Where i work we already have our emergency plan in place ready to go on Monday, if needs be to deal with the inevitable wave.

Oh I wasn't trying to explain it away mate, it was in relation to the very specific point. I think the UK is experiencing another wave but equally there is no chance that Italy is only having 1300 cases.

And in the case that that was true, then Italy having the same deaths as the UK, despite much fewer cases, would be extremely strange.

So just think that has to be taken into context.
 
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