Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Wouldn't vaccinating them also help to stop them spreading it?
You have to take into account the risk to the individual- in this case young children.

If a handful of children fell seriously ill from vaccination it would be an absolute disaster for the vaccine campaign.
 
Bit of a random one, but perhaps @mill has some thoughts. On the surface, there aren't any changes in population (I think CZ population actually fell last year) so you would think demand for houses wouldn't have changed. Then you have higher unemployment levels, which you would think would also affect demand.

On the other hand, you've got rock bottom interest rates and government stimulus spending that has seen people either get direct cash handouts or be placed on furlough. I know the stock market has been going great guns over the past year, but it seems house prices are another asset where inflation is running wild.

 
This is a good study. Its been obvious for quite a long time that kids seem to be able to fight it off. I don't really get the sudden urgancy from some people to vaccinate all kids. More research should be done on side effects first.
So far the data I have seen from here in US is pretty encouraging re vaccination of teenagers.

We also need more data on how prevalent long COVID is in kids.
In adults, studies peg the proportion who experience prolonged difficulties at 1 in 3 Covid patients, but there is a vanishingly small set of numbers about children. Experts told STAT they’ve all looked at one research paper from Rome that studied 129 patients from 2 to 18 years old, as well as data on about 9,000 children and adolescents from the U.K.’s health system. From that small base, they surmise a plausible range from 7% to 20%. In the U.S., nearly 4 million children and adolescents under 18 have tested positive for Covid.
 
But as I understand it they haven't got the capacity because of a variety of factors.

There are three demands on NHS hospital beds currently -
One is scheduled surgeries including a huge backlog of cases that were delayed from the prior waves that quite possibly need more that usual hospital care as the patients condition is unlikely to have been improved by the delay.
The second is acute cases ie people that turn up to A&E which are for the second summer in a row unusually high


The third is COVID cases and those have a disproportionate impact on bed availability as you can't mix a ward with COVID cases and the first two categories - so if you have an 8 bed ward with 2 COVID cases you are down a further 6 beds that cannot be used.

All of this is also being done on a backdrop of an overworked and exhausted staff that desperately need to take their delayed vacation days otherwise there is an even higher risk of burnout.

So the only thing that can "give" is the scheduled surgeries.


Thanks legs.

Yep, it's a real mess.

But, i will counter that with, it's not going to get any better is it?

If we leave it now, we leave it until next spring, at the very, very earliest. Is that going to give the NHS chance to catch up, if you then throw in another peak - which could easily happen in the winter unless we're in full lockdown again?

It's all a gamble, that's my point. Of all the times to take a gamble, it's becoming now or never in terms of this year. And it really, really can't go on much longer.
 
I always figured the issue wasn’t with kids being at risk but that they’re super spreaders themselves to people more at risk.

Can't people still spread it with the vaccine though?

So, really the onus is still on getting all adults both doses, before switching focus to the little f*****.
 
Wouldn't vaccinating them also help to stop them spreading it?

Not sure given the multiple stories and clear messaging about people still being able to spread COVID even with both doses of the vaccine.

Got to get adults done first. My hope is they then roll out in full in secondary schools (maybe from a certain age) in the new school year, maybe to coincide with the booster roll out for the over 50s and vulnerable groups (which seems almost certain to happen when the flu jab is rolled out)
 
Anyway, my housemate has tested positive but fortunately, well from my perspective, he was staying away over the weekend and I've had no contact since then.

Had to leg it back to my parents' (both fully dosed up for a good amount of time now and I'm just staying away from them, wearing a mask/gloves when we're in together) and gonna stay here for a week as my housemate is staying at ours so it seems daft risking further exposure when I've tested negative twice on lateral flows. Isolating in all but name just to be safe – I'm not gonna go the gym, was already working on Sunday so won't be going out for that, won't go to a shop etc. I'm gonna go out on my bike but on local routes or my runs because I have no symptoms. I know the lateral flows aren't fully reliable but unless I get symptoms, I have no need to PCR (and even those seem extremely inconsistent). If I get symptoms I'll get a test and isolate fully.

Absolutely gutting for me like, as I can't see my niece who was born on Tuesday, but better to be safe than sorry. But my housemate's contact was Saturday so I'm hoping that any risk of me testing positive would already have been and gone by now, so just gonna keep lateral flowing for the coming days.
 
Thanks legs.

Yep, it's a real mess.

But, i will counter that with, it's not going to get any better is it?

If we leave it now, we leave it until next spring, at the very, very earliest. Is that going to give the NHS chance to catch up, if you then throw in another peak - which could easily happen in the winter unless we're in full lockdown again?

It's all a gamble, that's my point. Of all the times to take a gamble, it's becoming now or never in terms of this year. And it really, really can't go on much longer.
We’ll have to disagree mate, the NHS seems to be struggling as it is and just can’t see how it will manage with a further increase in cases. Hopefully the gamble pays off but it just seems reckless from what I can see.
 
Anyway, my housemate has tested positive but fortunately, well from my perspective, he was staying away over the weekend and I've had no contact since then.

Had to leg it back to my parents' (both fully dosed up for a good amount of time now and I'm just staying away from them, wearing a mask/gloves when we're in together) and gonna stay here for a week as my housemate is staying at ours so it seems daft risking further exposure when I've tested negative twice on lateral flows. Isolating in all but name just to be safe – I'm not gonna go the gym, was already working on Sunday so won't be going out for that, won't go to a shop etc. I'm gonna go out on my bike but on local routes or my runs because I have no symptoms. I know the lateral flows aren't fully reliable but unless I get symptoms, I have no need to PCR (and even those seem extremely inconsistent). If I get symptoms I'll get a test and isolate fully.

Absolutely gutting for me like, as I can't see my niece who was born on Tuesday, but better to be safe than sorry. But my housemate's contact was Saturday so I'm hoping that any risk of me testing positive would already have been and gone by now, so just gonna keep lateral flowing for the coming days.
Hope you manage to avoid it mate, congrats on the neice.
 
Anyway, my housemate has tested positive but fortunately, well from my perspective, he was staying away over the weekend and I've had no contact since then.

Had to leg it back to my parents' (both fully dosed up for a good amount of time now and I'm just staying away from them, wearing a mask/gloves when we're in together) and gonna stay here for a week as my housemate is staying at ours so it seems daft risking further exposure when I've tested negative twice on lateral flows. Isolating in all but name just to be safe – I'm not gonna go the gym, was already working on Sunday so won't be going out for that, won't go to a shop etc. I'm gonna go out on my bike but on local routes or my runs because I have no symptoms. I know the lateral flows aren't fully reliable but unless I get symptoms, I have no need to PCR (and even those seem extremely inconsistent). If I get symptoms I'll get a test and isolate fully.

Absolutely gutting for me like, as I can't see my niece who was born on Tuesday, but better to be safe than sorry. But my housemate's contact was Saturday so I'm hoping that any risk of me testing positive would already have been and gone by now, so just gonna keep lateral flowing for the coming days.

Nightmare, i just got out my isolation on Wednesday.

Wife is currently isolating as she had close contact last week with someone who tested positve.

At least i got my second vaccine on Wed
 
In between previous waves the hospital returned Covid wards to normal wards and increased our elective operating programme. Sadly, we are seeing those wards being turned back into Covid wards again. Although we’ve not yet reduced our elective operations, I cannot see how we’ll cope as Covid admissions increase.

We’re back to planning an increase in critical care capacity and anticipate this will be required to manage the influx of Covid patients. We’re much more adept at pivoting back to Covid measures, having lived through this before. But a number of things are hampering us this time round. We have unprecedented numbers of A&E attendances, with waits in excess of 10 hours. So overall demand has increased massively. The hospital is full, similar to entering a bad winter, so turning wards into Covid wards isn’t easy. There just aren’t enough beds.

Staffing is a perfect storm. Staff are absolutely, genuinely exhausted. After more than a year of Covid, resilience is very low. Covid isolation alerts and school quarantines for staff’s children mean that huge number of colleagues are being required to isolate, leaving those behind picking up more and more shifts in order to run a safe service. It’s a huge testament to the staff that we still have people coming forward, often at the detriment of their own wellbeing, to fill gaps over and over again.

In addition, numerous staff are off sick with physical and mental health problems as a direct result of the pandemic. And large numbers of staff are leaving in the knowledge that even if Covid waves cease, there is a huge amount of pressure to proceed at pace through the backlog of cases, with no respite.
 
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