Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Hospital figures - 22 deaths were announced today, down 13 on yesterday and up 7 on last Thursday. 17 deaths were in English hospitals, down 12 on yesterday and up 5 on last week. The 7 day rolling average rises to 21.29

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 35 deaths were announced today, up 2 on yesterday and up 13 on last Thursday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 24.86

For the 60 day cut off, 41 deaths were announced today, the exact same total as yesterday and up 16 on last Thursday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 30.57
 
So, a bunch of my mates are currently self isolating pretty much. Assumption is they caught it from going out for the quarter-final the other night (luckily I was working)

Only two of nine of them have tested positive (on pcr) - one after testing negative three times on lateral flow and one after testing positive on lateral flow

neither have any symptoms that are related to covid other than a cough - they’ve got sickness and craps, basically.

Now, they’ve both been with their girlfriends for the last five days, in the same houses, in the same beds - neither of them have tested positive on PCR

far too many inconsistencies in both types of test
 
LinekersLegs said:
Iirc prior to vaccines and in the second UK wave the ratio was something closer to 9% of hospitalizations so thankfully there has been significant improvement.

Where we disagree is I don’t think it a different issue to opening up as, assuming that will further increase case numbers, if hospitalization rate remains at 4% that will clearly impact the access to general healthcare. I don’t see why “it has to be done” if it is likely to lead to cancellation of cancer surgeries for instance.
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It shouldn’t lead to the cancellation of those surgeries, the nhs should have the capacity to deal with it - they’ve had enough time to prepare and enough experience dealing with covid

not saying that’s on the nhs or doctors, it is a government thing mainly, but covid ain’t new. We know how to fight it and that most people going into hospital with it now probably wouldn’t have been going into hospital with it at the peak. They’re doing it as precautionary and the stays are a lot shorter and not requiring ICU.

there’s too many inconsistencies with how they’re doing everything atm but keeping on in some form of lockdown - for lack of a better term - isn’t the answer to me
 
PaulPowersTash said:
A good mate of mine had six 'E-Consultations' with his doctor over the last 7 months due to stomach pains he kept getting.
He just kept putting him on different antibiotics. The pain got so bad one day he went to A&E.
The next day they removed a badly infected kidney (urine leaking into it from his bladder) and sent him to an oncologist.
It turns out he has advanced cancer of the bladder and it has spread to his lungs. Doesn't look good at all for him to be honest.
Who knows what the outcome might have been if it had been diagnosed and picked up 7 months earlier?
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That’s on the doctor not doing his job
 
BlueToff said:
It shouldn’t lead to the cancellation of those surgeries, the nhs should have the capacity to deal with it - they’ve had enough time to prepare and enough experience dealing with covid

not saying that’s on the nhs or doctors, it is a government thing mainly, but covid ain’t new. We know how to fight it and that most people going into hospital with it now probably wouldn’t have been going into hospital with it at the peak. They’re doing it as precautionary and the stays are a lot shorter and not requiring ICU.

there’s too many inconsistencies with how they’re doing everything atm but keeping on in some form of lockdown - for lack of a better term - isn’t the answer to me
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But as I understand it they haven't got the capacity because of a variety of factors.

There are three demands on NHS hospital beds currently -
One is scheduled surgeries including a huge backlog of cases that were delayed from the prior waves that quite possibly need more that usual hospital care as the patients condition is unlikely to have been improved by the delay.
The second is acute cases ie people that turn up to A&E which are for the second summer in a row unusually high


The third is COVID cases and those have a disproportionate impact on bed availability as you can't mix a ward with COVID cases and the first two categories - so if you have an 8 bed ward with 2 COVID cases you are down a further 6 beds that cannot be used.

All of this is also being done on a backdrop of an overworked and exhausted staff that desperately need to take their delayed vacation days otherwise there is an even higher risk of burnout.

So the only thing that can "give" is the scheduled surgeries.
 
grandjoeblue said:
This is a good study. Its been obvious for quite a long time that kids seem to be able to fight it off. I don't really get the sudden urgancy from some people to vaccinate all kids. More research should be done on side effects first.
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I always figured the issue wasn’t with kids being at risk but that they’re super spreaders themselves to people more at risk.
 
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