Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[LinekersLegs]

Early boosters if needed will probably still be the original, but both Pzifer and Moderna have been working on vaccines for the variants. Moderna has one for the beta variant that started trials in February I think. I would guess most effort is now on the delta variant.

I know some people that were part of the original trials. They are getting close to 1 year since their initial vaccine and are a bit antsy about the delta variant.

You seen anything re JNJ vaccine and Delta?

The clear benefit of the second jab of other vaccines, especially the similar AZ, in the UK has me curious.

 

[RAFUH]

It is horribly sad and infuriating that the current deaths were preventable as opposed to most of the deaths prior to May/June. Rates they are reporting in NC are that 99% of patients in hospital for COVID are unvaccinated and something like 99.8% of COVID related deaths are unvaccinated.

 

[BlueToff]

Personally I don’t think hospitalizations at 400 a day with over 2000 occupied beds is low, especially as it does seem to be impacting current care, at least in some regions.

Also when I last looked it seemed about 4% of cases end up as hospital cases currently, although thankfully much lower than prior to vaccines and as you say the stays are typically shorter/less serious, todays UK case rate of over 30k will presumably mean over 1000 a day is baked in for about a weeks time. If cases do get to 100,000 a day I can’t see how that wouldn’t have massive impacts on general healthcare access.

What figures on daily admissions and occupied beds would you make you think that the current plan for July 19th should not go ahead?

Sorry, compared to the cases, it is. I should have been clear - everything is relative. We should, going off the previous peaks, have more hospitalisations and more deaths. We don’t, because the vaccines work.

I share your concerns about the access to general healthcare - but again, I think that’s a different issue to opening up, which has to be done

I don’t know enough about the numbers to say Legs, but if we’re hitting hospitalisation numbers similar to the other peaks, then maybe that’s the time to put on the brakes.

 

[tsubaki]

One way to get cases numbers down I suppose

People could be charged for lateral flow tests from next month, government reveals

Free tests only guaranteed until the end of July - despite ‘get tested’ campaign launched in April

www.independent.co.uk

Christ

 

[LinekersLegs]

It's is horribly sad and infuriating that the current deaths were preventable as opposed to most of the deaths prior to May/June. Rates they are reporting in NC are that 99% of patients in hospital for COVID are unvaccinated and something like 99.8% of COVID related deaths are unvaccinated.

The good news is that many lives have been saved but how many more could we have managed without high profile idiots on Fox?

 

[tsubaki]

The good news is that many lives have been saved but how many more could we have managed without high profile idiots on Fox?

that they do that whilst lauding Trumps Vaccine Program is remarkable

 

[RAFUH]

You seen anything re JNJ vaccine and Delta?

The clear benefit of the second jab of other vaccines, especially the similar AZ, in the UK has me curious.

Last thing I recall reading is Fauci saying there really isn't any data to recommend a booster (at a federal level). Which is why you see some experts saying you should get a mRNA booster and others that say you shouldn't.

Early (limited) data says J&J seems to be effective against the delta variant 6-8 months out.

Ultimately, I think we will see boosters being needed especially if we continue to have so many vaccine-hesitant and anti-vax. The virus will continue to circulate at fairly high levels and continue to mutate. Although it might be a regional recommendation in hotspots so that vaccine is more effectively utilized and not wasted.

As has been said through out this....we still need more data and the answers will change as we get more data.


As an aside - I'd love to see more research into the stability of the vaccine. So much vaccine is having to be wasted. Our clinic has vaccine to give to patients during an appointment with their doc, but a patient that has an afternoon appt may not get a vaccine if requested because we won't start a new vial later in the day knowing we'd have to toss the remaining doses.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Sorry, compared to the cases, it is. I should have been clear - everything is relative. We should, going off the previous peaks, have more hospitalisations and more deaths. We don’t, because the vaccines work.

I share your concerns about the access to general healthcare - but again, I think that’s a different issue to opening up, which has to be done

I don’t know enough about the numbers to say Legs, but if we’re hitting hospitalisation numbers similar to the other peaks, then maybe that’s the time to put on the brakes.

Iirc prior to vaccines and in the second UK wave the ratio was something closer to 9% of hospitalizations so thankfully there has been significant improvement.

Where we disagree is I don’t think it a different issue to opening up as, assuming that will further increase case numbers, if hospitalization rate remains at 4% that will clearly impact the access to general healthcare. I don’t see why “it has to be done” if it is likely to lead to cancellation of cancer surgeries for instance.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Excellent news, especially as this a vaccine that doesn’t need subzero storage and some of the trial will have been done with Delta variant widespread.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Interesting thread

 

[arminisgod]

Government must be confident that the NHS will cope with hospital cases if they are going all in.

Personally think its now or never anyway - only other solution would have been lock back down whilst we tweak a vaccine for the over 40's aimed directly at the Indian variant but time thats done it'll have mutated to something else and on and on we go.

Young bucks like us have done our part. We stayed in, put our life's on hold to protect the old and vulnerable.

It's time they repaid that. If people are petrified of catching it then don't go out, stay in until we have herd immunity

 

[Deckard2049]

Massive psychological damage has been done this last year to many of the population.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Todays figures...


32,551 new cases and 35 new deaths

 

[COYBL25]

Massive psychological damage has been done this last year to many of the population.

Like I mentioned before, my GP neighbour, told me about patients turning up, asking for sick notes, as they are too scared to go back to work.

It’s tremendously sad what it’s done to some people.

I mean that night time curfew thing, is basically saying “ I want to live in a Police State “

 

[RAFUH]

Young bucks like us have done our part. We stayed in, put our life's on hold to protect the old and vulnerable.

It's time they repaid that. If people are petrified of catching it then don't go out, stay in until we have herd immunity

The increase in cases is being lead by folks under 65 years. In the US the surge is driven by the 20-49 year olds.