Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[LinekersLegs]

I'm guilty of it myself as I look for updates at 4pm daily. But we really have to get out of this fixation with infection rates. It really doesn't matter anymore. All of the higher risk have had at least one jab and the remainder of adults will have one within the next month, by which stage the higher risk will all be fully vaccinated.

We may as well record the number of common cold infections.

Respectfully disagree mate.

I believe case rates do matter, not just because of long covid but because of the knock on effect in hospitalizations (even if those thankfully do not lead to a significant number of deaths as they are a younger/less vulnerable so more likely to recover). It is particularly unclear at the moment the level of protection the one dose provides and what impact it has on transmission rates.



There are trade offs and each of us in good faith can make a different determination based on the exact same data.

 

[evilwebby]

We are heading for another wave, aren't we?

Just imagine how grim things would be looking now it the vaccinations were yet available. God bless Big Pharma.

 

[roydo]

Over a million jab appointments were made on the NHS online thing today. Its magic that the yoof are getting in on the act now. They deserve a break after what they have done to protect the elderly and vulnerable, early days.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Respectfully disagree mate.

I believe case rates do matter, not just because of long covid but because of the knock on effect in hospitalizations (even if those thankfully do not lead to a significant number of deaths as they are a younger/less vulnerable so more likely to recover). It is particularly unclear at the moment the level of protection the one dose provides and what impact it has on transmission rates.



There are trade offs and each of us in good faith can make a different determination based on the exact same data.

Respectfully disagree Legs.

The vast majority of those people going into hospital have not been vaccinated at all, and some have only had one jab. I know there's a lag of about 7-10 days between infection and hospitalisation, but these infection rates have been on the up for about 3/4 weeks now and, so far, we haven't seen that replicated with an increase in hospitalisation or deaths. That will only be reinforced with more people getting their first and second jabs. The majority of hospitals around the country do not have an issue with covid now and there's no reason why they can't continue catching up with "other business". Across the whole of the south west there are only 10 people in covid wards at the moment.

I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of those being seriously ill or dying of late have been offered the vaccine and refused it. It may sound harsh but that was their call. We can't put the economy on hold because they decide not to follow advice. We have to learn to live with this disease and that includes accepting that there will be hospitalisations and fatalities. But billions of people around the world need to get back to living as normal a life as possible. Luckily here in the UK we're one step ahead of most countries due to our vaccination programme.

It's possible I could be wrong and the hospitalisations and deaths start to rise sharply, and the next 2/3 weeks will prove which of us is correct. Hopefully it will be me.

 

[Tramps_mate]

There is also an indeterminate and varying time lag between diagnosis and death.

Yes, the next three weeks should show any spike in admissions and deaths that would follow this 6k a day new cases rise..

 

[Tramps_mate]

That's not killing people though is it?

It is actually.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Respectfully disagree Legs.

The vast majority of those people going into hospital have not been vaccinated at all, and some have only had one jab. I know there's a lag of about 7-10 days between infection and hospitalisation, but these infection rates have been on the up for about 3/4 weeks now and, so far, we haven't seen that replicated with an increase in hospitalisation or deaths. That will only be reinforced with more people getting their first and second jabs. The majority of hospitals around the country do not have an issue with covid now and there's no reason why they can't continue catching up with "other business". Across the whole of the south west there are only 10 people in covid wards at the moment.

I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of those being seriously ill or dying of late have been offered the vaccine and refused it. It may sound harsh but that was their call. We can't put the economy on hold because they decide not to follow advice. We have to learn to live with this disease and that includes accepting that there will be hospitalisations and fatalities. But billions of people around the world need to get back to living as normal a life as possible. Luckily here in the UK we're one step ahead of most countries due to our vaccination programme.

It's possible I could be wrong and the hospitalisations and deaths start to rise sharply, and the next 2/3 weeks will prove which of us is correct. Hopefully it will be me.

Unfortunately it looks like there has been


As you say this is primarily in the unvaccinated/partially vaccinated. However whilst in these cases it probably doesn’t lead to the same level of seriousness (some encouraging data that length of hospital stay is shorter) they still take up beds which if they continue on trend I can’t see how isn’t going to have at least some knock on effects on hospital capabilities. There is also the issue of long Covid.

As I said I think you can look at the same data and come to different conclusions, I just think we are looking at different data and also have different views on how they are going to play out. Where we fervently agree is that you are the correct one!

 

[dholliday]

Media-driven as well now mate and not just our government.

The 'roadmap' seems to have been a success. If June 21st gets pushed back so be it, but it shouldn't really have to be - there's no evidence for it to be.

I don't see why they can't plan to do what they did in terms of opening on june 21st, but have stuff like mask wearing in shops or on transport etc still in place. People are used to it now, they'll do it, nobody is expecting in 2 weeks' time to be able to go into ASDA and not wear a mask I don't think, we accept that the world has changed.

As for other governments, well they're now being as bad if not worse.

There has to be a time where we bite the bullet.

Thats where I disagree tbh mate - Freedom Day is what it should say on the tin - the freedom to choose if you want to wear a mask or not etc.

I think its all or nothing for me otherwise they'll never stop making us wear them.

I dont mind in winter wearing them but its too much in summer walking around places you cant enjoy the day!

I just hope they knock this June date back a few weeks until say mid-end July and hopefully cases drop as more people are getting vaccinated and we can get on with our lives.

i'm at the 'could get run over by a bus tomorrow' stage...here in Germany we have similar yoyo-lockdowns as UK...folk are sick of it. i'm sick of it.

and i have heavy-grade asthma, apparently high-risk, but i support all freedoms returning immediately, including for non-vaccinated and non-maskers.

We only live once, like.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Respectfully disagree mate.

I believe case rates do matter, not just because of long covid but because of the knock on effect in hospitalizations (even if those thankfully do not lead to a significant number of deaths as they are a younger/less vulnerable so more likely to recover). It is particularly unclear at the moment the level of protection the one dose provides and what impact it has on transmission rates.



There are trade offs and each of us in good faith can make a different determination based on the exact same data.

There is good reason why countries like America still have there doors shut to us here in the UK while seemingly other countries with less vaccine rates can enter. Propaganda some people have swallowed is something to behold. I work in social care and I now know I have a job for life...

 

[Barnfred 55]

Unfortunately it looks like there has been


As you say this is primarily in the unvaccinated/partially vaccinated. However whilst in these cases it probably doesn’t lead to the same level of seriousness (some encouraging data that length of hospital stay is shorter) they still take up beds which if they continue on trend I can’t see how isn’t going to have at least some knock on effects on hospital capabilities. There is also the issue of long Covid.

As I said I think you can look at the same data and come to different conclusions, I just think we are looking at different data and also have different views on how they are going to play out. Where we fervently agree is that you are the correct one!

The thing is they are mainly in the areas heavily affected by the D variant, which is also impacting to a lesser extent on the National figures. Dare I say they also happen to be the areas where there may have been more of a reluctance to get the vaccine. But if you look around the rest of the country hospitals are hardly being affected.

But the bigger picture is that, going forward, we need to live with this and accept there will be casualties including long covid. I'm not saying that infection rates are totally meaningless now, but we just can't let them control our decision making the way we were before the vaccine. Those decisions need to be driven by hospitalisations and deaths now.

 

[4737carlin]

i'm at the 'could get run over by a bus tomorrow' stage...here in Germany we have similar yoyo-lockdowns as UK...folk are sick of it. i'm sick of it.

and i have heavy-grade asthma, apparently high-risk, but i support all freedoms returning immediately, including for non-vaccinated and non-maskers.

We only live once, like.

You say you are sick of lockdown but then talk about freedom for non vaccinated and non maskers, but its them that are causing the lockdown, if we get another its 100% their fault.

Main thing is we need that 21st date pushed back, it was crazy stupid to even announce it when they did. They should of just said we will make an assessment weekly, and decided next week, to give that date a while back was crazy

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Leading biologist dampens his ‘smoking gun’ Covid lab leak theory

Nobel laureate David Baltimore says he overstated case, and the origins of the virus are still unknown

www.theguardian.com

 

[sbbefc]

Everywhere else in Europe seems far more comfortable opening things up, despite being behind the UK in terms of vaccinations.

Do they have as many cases of the delta variant? Just because continental Europeans are doing it doesn't necessarily mean it's the right thing to do. I want to open up, but if means a slight delay then I'm happy to wait. I don't have much faith in our government but I have faith in our medical and scientific institutions. Surely they're taking a lead on this.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Do they have as many cases of the delta variant? Just because continental Europeans are doing it doesn't necessarily mean it's the right thing to do. I want to open up, but if means a slight delay then I'm happy to wait. I don't have much faith in our government but I have faith in our medical and scientific institutions. Surely they're taking a lead on this.

Was just reading this data from Germany - not seen any definitive reasons for the perceived difference in spread

 

[LinekersLegs]

The thing is they are mainly in the areas heavily affected by the D variant, which is also impacting to a lesser extent on the National figures. Dare I say they also happen to be the areas where there may have been more of a reluctance to get the vaccine. But if you look around the rest of the country hospitals are hardly being affected.

But the bigger picture is that, going forward, we need to live with this and accept there will be casualties including long covid. I'm not saying that infection rates are totally meaningless now, but we just can't let them control our decision making the way we were before the vaccine. Those decisions need to be driven by hospitalisations and deaths now.

Agree the North West is clearly the current issue and hopefully it will remain localized