Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[whiteshadow]

Nobody has said (least of all me) that first doses haven't dipped? I'm not sure what your argument is?

I don’t think supply is really an issue to be honest, 500-600k just seems to be the most we can consistently administer each day. I think it’s more a case of logistics and resources rather than supply. Pretty sure if we continue to average 500k a day we’ll be in a very good place come summer.

If you don't think supply is the issue then why were we vaccinating more people before April?

The craziest thing is you're ignoring the politicians who've said supply is an issue.

It's not me making this stuff up ...

Mind blown ...

 

[roydo]

The graphs prove the decrease in supply.

If you can't see that stark difference I don't know what to say.

They dont though.

They show a fall in 1st doses. For the reason I explained. You even said yourself that 2nd doses were staying consistent. Thats cos there isnt a supply issue.

Like, what is the point in jabbing 30 odd million older folk, (50 to 99), then not giving them a 2nd jab?

 

[whiteshadow]

They dont though.

They show a fall in 1st doses. For the reason I explained. You even said yourself that 2nd doses were staying consistent. Thats cos there isnt a supply issue.

Like, what is the point in jabbing 30 odd million older folk, (50 to 99), then not giving them a 2nd jab?

Total vaccinations = total 1st doses + total 2nd doses.

If total 1st doses decreases then total vaccinations have decreased if total 2nd doses is constant, which shows they have less supply.

 

[Mrk]

If you don't think supply is the issue then why were we vaccinating more people before April?

The craziest thing is you're ignoring the politicians who've said supply is an issue.

It's not me making this stuff up ...

Mind blown ...

Mate, with all due respect, you're trying to start an argument with somebody who is saying something very different than what you've quite clearly misunderstood I've said.

The simplest way I can put this is; since January we've averaged 447,000 doses per day. We're currently averaging around 500,000 doses per day. How does that imply in any way that there's an issue with supply if we're giving out more doses every day than the long-term average?

 

[whiteshadow]

Mate, with all due respect, you're trying to start an argument with somebody who is saying something very different than what you've quite clearly misunderstood I've said.

The simplest way I can put this is; since January we've averaged 447,000 doses per day. We're currently averaging around 500,000 doses per day. How does that imply in any way that there's an issue with supply if we're giving out more doses every day than the long-term average?

Everyone can read both of our posts and make their own minds up as to wether you're trying to reposition your stance.

Pretty clear from your words in your original posts to what you're trying to say now.

I never said the issue was the 'long term' average, and neither did you. You said there wasn't a supply issue, when doses have been down since April, which they have.

 

[roydo]

Total vaccinations = total 1st doses + total 2nd doses.

If total 1st doses decreases then total vaccinations have decreased if total 2nd doses is constant, which shows they have less supply.

lol

When we were jabbing the 1st doses, there was zero 2nd doses.

@peteblue is on top of the daily numbers, but iirc, TOTAL jabs yesterday were circa 1/2 million, give or take. The vast majority of those would have been 2nd doses.

 

[mrb85]

Milton Friedman was American. John Maynard Keynes was British. Milton Keynes is a town

Thanks for the correction. Must have been keyboard weary.

 

[Mrk]

Everyone can read both of our posts and make their own minds up as to wether you're trying to reposition your stance.

Pretty clear from your words in your original posts to what you're trying to say now.

lol Is this a bad windup? Because if it is, well done, you've got me hook, line and sinker!

My "argument" (more a statement of fact) is that supply is currently ahead of the average supply we've had since we started vaccinating. If supply was below that, then, that would obviously indicate a supply issue. But it's not, so it doesn't. This is quite simple maths.

 

[Goat]

Everyone can read both of our posts and make their own minds up as to wether you're trying to reposition your stance.

Pretty clear from your words in your original posts to what you're trying to say now.

I never said the issue was the 'long term' average, and neither did you. You said there wasn't a supply issue, when doses have been down since April, which they have.

They haven't mate, if you look, the 7 day average has actually increased.

 

[mrb85]

The essential point though is that more and more info is coming to light about the capabilitoes of this variant so to carry on unlocking is, to say the least, unwise...espcially when we leasrn that the Indian variant has gone from accounting for 1% of UK Covid19 cases to 11% in two weeks.

Given the massive reduction in UK cases that's not in absolute terms as big a change as you're trying to suggest.

 

[Tubey]

lol

When we were jabbing the 1st doses, there was zero 2nd doses.

@peteblue is on top of the daily numbers, but iirc, TOTAL jabs yesterday were circa 1/2 million, give or take. The vast majority of those would have been 2nd doses.

To be fair though, if there wasn't a supply issue, 1st doses wouldn't decline just because 2nd doses have to be given.

The infrastructure we have is capable of giving nearly 1m doses a day. We aren't doing that because of supply. It's bottlenecked at around the 500k mark.

 

[mrb85]

The worry for me is the 21st June date - think unless negative tests before entry into places becomes mandatory temporarily it should really have waited until every adult over 18 had at least one dose even to help cut transmission as 18-30 will be going wild and most of those wont have had a vaccine.

Think its a bit too soon imo.

Fortunately we're benefitting from the seasonal decline in transmission (something which led to the decline in daily deaths recorded in late summer to single figures). If we're going to raise restrictions every time there's a scare from an unquantified risk source then we're never going to get out of this. As even Whitty has said in recent weeks, we're just going to have to learn how to live with it. If we don't we won't even have the public money to treat recurrences.

 

[Tubey]

Everyone can read both of our posts and make their own minds up as to wether you're trying to reposition your stance.

Pretty clear from your words in your original posts to what you're trying to say now.

I never said the issue was the 'long term' average, and neither did you. You said there wasn't a supply issue, when doses have been down since April, which they have.

There is a supply issue but it's the same one that has existed since March; it's not a decrease in total vaccinations, it's just an decrease in first vaccinations so that they can do the second round - you've misunderstood what happened. In terms of actual vaccines given, to quote Theresa May, "nothing has changed" - it's still consistently around the 400k-500k mark.

 

[TommyDavo]

To be fair though, if there wasn't a supply issue, 1st doses wouldn't decline just because 2nd doses have to be given.

The infrastructure we have is capable of giving nearly 1m doses a day. We aren't doing that because of supply. It's bottlenecked at around the 500k mark.

1 day at circa 800k the rest average about half a mill, can’t see any proof we can manage a mill per day there

 

[roydo]

To be fair though, if there wasn't a supply issue, 1st doses wouldn't decline just because 2nd doses have to be given.

The infrastructure we have is capable of giving nearly 1m doses a day. We aren't doing that because of supply. It's bottlenecked at around the 500k mark.

Yep.

That isnt a supply issue though.

A nurse can only jab one person at a time like.