Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[mrb85]

We're in a pandemic and not enough is being done by government, not -as you claim - too much. We need to seal borders and maintain social distancing and mask wearing in indoor settings. And the hospitality industry needs to be outdoor only.

As for vaccinating under 18s: babies and kids are used to them. Why are you suggesting it's extraordinary to vaccinate the young?

Well, for one, none of the vaccines have yet to complete full safety testing, and none will be completed until 2023. But in any event I'm not opposed to vaccines per se, it's their being made compulsory I get concerned about. Mandatory vaccination, linked as it is being to health passports, is such a huge issue I think it warrants wide debate, not a rushed through measure driven by the hand of one the Tory party's true fascists, Michael Gove, in what is effectively a non-existent Parliament (over 350 covid related measures have been introduced after sidestepping Parliament procedure). The experience of the whole Covid period has been one in which the government has issued firm denials about controversial policy measures before subsequently enacting them. I fear vaccination passports will be another, never to be removed. As von Bismarck said many years ago: Never believe in anything until it has been officially denied. And to add another quotation in respect of trust in governments, I offer you this one from British economist Milton Keynes: There's nothing so permanent as a temporary government measure.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Anyone who doubts we'll be in another surge and lockdown situation this year are seriously deluded.

The vaccines have been left to do all the work and there is obvioulsy no real attempt to stop variants coming into the country, and major resources are haphazardly made available for community testing depending on the variant - as we saw with the ignoring, or "targeted" attempt at dealing with, the Indian variant.

Still - "It's over" say the GOT Independent SAGE group.

I don't think anyone doubts another surge.

It's your insistence that a full lockdown will be needed that winds people up.

We know there'll probably be a spike in cases. It'll probably come in a few weeks when stuff is open indoors for a bit, but we're starting from such a low base that it shouldn't matter.

Come winter, we'll likely see some restrictions, but the vaccines are working and are doing the leg work so far.

People have been hugging and visiting other households for ages now too, and the virus hasn't swept us all yet.

We got our bad wave in January, before Europe did. Likely, at least in a large part, down to the disastrous use of the tier system in December, allowing London and the SE to be in T2.

To be honest chaps, you sort of make similar implied points - vaccines are looking good so far, but variant spread / infections are also determined by if and how action is taken.

No wants a full lockdown, but I'm sure we'd all respond better to a swift one based on intelligence gathering. I.e over the muddled set of steps which were in place last year pre-Xmas.

 

[Wizard]

Well, for one, none of the vaccines have yet to complete full safety testing, and none will be completed until 2023. But in any event I'm not opposed to vaccines per se, it's their being made compulsory I get concerned about. Mandatory vaccination, linked as it is being to health passports, is such a huge issue I think it warrants wide debate, not a rushed through measure driven by the hand of one the Tory party's true fascists, Michael Gove, in what is effectively a non-existent Parliament (over 350 covid related measures have been introduced after sidestepping Parliament procedure). The experience of the whole Covid period has been one in which the government has issued firm denials about controversial policy measures before subsequently enacting them. I fear vaccination passports will be another, never to be removed. As von Bismarck said many years ago: Never believe in anything until it has been officially denied. And to add another quotation in respect of trust in governments, I offer you this one from British economist Milton Keynes: There's nothing so permanent as a temporary government measure.

Milton Friedman was American. John Maynard Keynes was British. Milton Keynes is a town

 

[LinekersLegs]

It was a serious point. India and Nepal require oxygen and every other support that can be given to help fight Covid. Instead of addressing the real issue this reporter is just pointing at a minor activity that granted could make an infinitesimal difference but solves nothing. It’s like reporting on a famine and pointing at someone eating a sandwich. It’s lazy in my opinion. Where are his photos of all the spare oxygen bottles and oxygen manufacturing equipment within the USA, U.K., EU, Russia, China...things that actually would make a difference.....

“Kul Bahadur Gurung, a senior official with the NMA, said climbers and their Sherpa guides were estimated to have carried at least 3,500 oxygen bottles this season. These bottles often get buried in avalanches or are abandoned on the mountain slopes at the end of the expedition.”

3500 doesn’t sound infinitesimal to me especially when a “bird in the hand is better than two in a bush“ - those cylinders are close to where the cases are (base camp alone is suffering a pretty big outbreak) so are able to be used far quicker and cheaper than those currently in the USA/UK etc. And I am damn certain that if you were unfortunate enough to be living in Nepal at the moment with family stricken you would be demanding that those bottles were used for the local community.

And it is possible to advocate for both - that given the emergency that climbers forgo their ego trips up the mountain and also that we get additional equipment out to them.

 

[Goat]

Well, for one, none of the vaccines have yet to complete full safety testing, and none will be completed until 2023. But in any event I'm not opposed to vaccines per se, it's their being made compulsory I get concerned about. Mandatory vaccination, linked as it is being to health passports, is such a huge issue I think it warrants wide debate, not a rushed through measure driven by the hand of one the Tory party's true fascists, Michael Gove, in what is effectively a non-existent Parliament (over 350 covid related measures have been introduced after sidestepping Parliament procedure). The experience of the whole Covid period has been one in which the government has issued firm denials about controversial policy measures before subsequently enacting them. I fear vaccination passports will be another, never to be removed. As von Bismarck said many years ago: Never believe in anything until it has been officially denied. And to add another quotation in respect of trust in governments, I offer you this one from British economist Milton Keynes: There's nothing so permanent as a temporary government measure.

I offer you this quote from Mikels Goat, the famed internet poster "LOL".

 

[LinekersLegs]

Well, for one, none of the vaccines have yet to complete full safety testing, and none will be completed until 2023. But in any event I'm not opposed to vaccines per se, it's their being made compulsory I get concerned about. Mandatory vaccination, linked as it is being to health passports, is such a huge issue I think it warrants wide debate, not a rushed through measure driven by the hand of one the Tory party's true fascists, Michael Gove, in what is effectively a non-existent Parliament (over 350 covid related measures have been introduced after sidestepping Parliament procedure). The experience of the whole Covid period has been one in which the government has issued firm denials about controversial policy measures before subsequently enacting them. I fear vaccination passports will be another, never to be removed. As von Bismarck said many years ago: Never believe in anything until it has been officially denied. And to add another quotation in respect of trust in governments, I offer you this one from British economist Milton Keynes: There's nothing so permanent as a temporary government measure.

Pfizer will be applying for full authorization soon from the FDA

Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Seek Full FDA Approval for COVID-19 Vaccines

Six months after receiving Emergency Use Authorization from the U.S. FDA for COVID-19 vaccines, Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna are planning to seek full approval for the preventative medications.

www.biospace.com

They passed rigorous safety checks to get the emergency use authorization including trials involving thousands of people

Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines Explained

FDA explains the Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines

www.fda.gov

However as I understand it they had to wait for a further 6 month data collection to be complete on their Phase III enrollees before they were allowed to file for full authorization. Moderna wasn’t far behind in the dates of their trials so are expected to quickly follow.

Apart from some cases of allergic reactions (usually in those who had previously experienced them) there have been no significant side effects reported for either of the mRNA vaccines and have excellent records in preventing COVID in their recipients.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Indian Covid-19 variant detected in Merseyside cases

Council leader responds as variant of concern linked to rising cases in one area

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[Tramps_mate]

Indian Covid-19 variant detected in Merseyside cases

Council leader responds as variant of concern linked to rising cases in one area

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Formby.. Should have guessed. Bunch of self centred entitled... Tw... lol lol lol

 

[davek]

Indian Covid-19 variant detected in Merseyside cases

Council leader responds as variant of concern linked to rising cases in one area

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

As tracked...

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/coronavirus-thread-serious-stuff.109382/page-5798#post-8728020

So now we have our confirmation that this virus is a variant of concern locally.

I suggest Sefton Council at minimum keep their pubs and restaurants closed in terms of indoor business is concerned.

 

[xena]

People won`t accept it mate and the government know this.

I`m not saying there`d be civil disobedience, but there`d be mass ignoring of the rules, especially surrounding friends and family.

I've certainly not been waiting for Boris to give me permission to see my family ive had both my jabs and all my close family have had at least one.
Im just hoping Greece go on that green list before end of june .

 

[COYBL25]

As tracked...

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/coronavirus-thread-serious-stuff.109382/page-5798#post-8728020

So now we have our confirmation that this virus is a variant of concern locally.

I suggest Sefton Council at minimum keep their pubs and restaurants closed in terms of indoor business is concerned.

The local councillor doesn’t sound too concerned.

Tory shill ?

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[davek]

The local councillor doesn’t sound too concerned.

Tory shill ?

Doesn't he? He's an expert is he?

Even Hancock has underlined that it's spreading fast and in 2 weeks gone from accounting for 1% of Civid19 cases to 11% of cases.

Let's just take it for granted shall we that we need to be concerned.



It's a good job we have local leaders who invite 4 unmasked mass gatherings fir 20,000 people isn't it?

Such progressive thinking.

Well done all concerned.

I wonder when Ashton will resign?

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[peteblue]

“Kul Bahadur Gurung, a senior official with the NMA, said climbers and their Sherpa guides were estimated to have carried at least 3,500 oxygen bottles this season. These bottles often get buried in avalanches or are abandoned on the mountain slopes at the end of the expedition.”

3500 doesn’t sound infinitesimal to me especially when a “bird in the hand is better than two in a bush“ - those cylinders are close to where the cases are (base camp alone is suffering a pretty big outbreak) so are able to be used far quicker and cheaper than those currently in the USA/UK etc. And I am damn certain that if you were unfortunate enough to be living in Nepal at the moment with family stricken you would be demanding that those bottles were used for the local community.

And it is possible to advocate for both - that given the emergency that climbers forgo their ego trips up the mountain and also that we get additional equipment out to them.

I happen to agree that they should forgo mountain climbing, and I have absolutely no interest in them or their ‘sport’. I also agree the oxygen bottles could be better used with the right oxygen and nitrogen mix for medical purposes. I still think the reporter was taking a cheap shot at a particular group and not addressing the fundamental problem, and elements of the media have run with this story instead of emphasising the bigger picture.....anyway, that’s just my view....