Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[maccavennie]

People lost family members over flu, seasonal deaths due to obesity, cancer, heart diseases and dozens of other illnesses. EVERY YEAR but now everyone is seemingly dying or getting sick from covid and covid alone

the fact of the matter is that a normal healthy adulty has little or no chance of dying of covid 19 and the NHS telling me over 5000 people died of covid despite bot getting tested for it sums up the whole thing.

5000 people as you mention out of 126,000 people is around 6% isn't it? So let's say you are correct (even though @MikelsGoat has already said tests can be done post mortem ) that's still 94% of the 126,000 dying of covid in 12 months.

There is no "fact of the matter that a normal healthy adult" won't die at all. That's just your opinion.

Of course people lose friends and family woth cancer, heart disease and dozens of other illnesses every year. Do you see anyone saying otherwise on here? No.

This is a thread about coronvirus which is very real, is a very real threat, has affected a lot of people on here personally but its up to you if you want to continue to chat utter crap. Your in the minority which probably makes you a little more brainwashed than the rest of us who are living in the real world and having to deal with the very real problem this has caused on a daily basis.

I genuinely and sincerely hope that you never have to know anyone who has either had bad or or died from it. That would make you one of the most fortunate people I would know.

 

[toffeepie1878]

I googled Japan.

Surge in new cases of coronavirus across Japan | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News

The Tokyo metropolitan government has reported the highest number of new coronavirus cases in a month, just three days after a state of emergency was lifted.

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Springtime in Japan but COVID-19 limits festivities for cherry blossom fans

An early spring in Japan is drawing cherry blossom fans to Tokyo's parks but the government has urged people to limit traditional festivities to prevent a resurgence of COVID-19 infections. The flowers known as sakura were in full bloom on Tuesday, almost two weeks earlier than usual. The...

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What now?

about 15 people in Japan under the age of 40 died of covid, out of its 130 million

I think they will be just fine

 

[toffeepie1878]

There is no "fact of the matter that a normal healthy adult" won't die at all. That's just your opinion.

well they can die but the chances are pretty remote.

Pre covid the Flu was killing upwards of 700 thousand per year anyway globally, there was none of this panic then was there?

 

[Brennan]

well they can die but the chances are pretty remote.

Pre covid the Flu was killing upwards of 700 thousand per year anyway globally, there was none of this panic then was there?

No it wasn’t. The average is less than 400,000 per year.

 

[BlueStevie35]

People lost family members over flu, seasonal deaths due to obesity, cancer, heart diseases and dozens of other illnesses. EVERY YEAR but now everyone is seemingly dying or getting sick from covid and covid alone

the fact of the matter is that a normal healthy adulty has little or no chance of dying of covid 19 and the NHS telling me over 5000 people died of covid despite bot getting tested for it sums up the whole thing.

Bullshit, utter bullshit

 

[blulouie]

you mean having zero lockdowns? or would it be due to the people being overall much healthier?

No lockdowns in Asia ?
Are these the same nations that wear masks & social distance as an everyday norm ?

Its where the majority of these horrific respiratory disease's start and are preveilant . They are on the whole very well equiped to deal with them.

Something the wider world will have to do from now on.

 

[maccavennie]

well they can die but the chances are pretty remote.

Pre covid the Flu was killing upwards of 700 thousand per year anyway globally, there was none of this panic then was there?

Okay mate, so let's go by your logic that covid is the same as flu and let's take an average of 700k people dying globally from flu ( though WHO say it's between 300k and 690k). 2.5m have died from covid globally so that's 3.5x more deaths than flu. Certainly enough to have EVERY government in the world panic a Little more.

Now PHE said on 2018/19 we had 4k flu deaths in the UK which makes covid around 30 times more deadly.

Basic numbers above say its more deadly don't they?

I don't know mate, I don't know where your coming from tbh as I sounds like you keep going back to flu.

I go back to my original point, you should be grateful you don't know anyone who has had it or died from it. Your either very lucky or actually don't know anyone at all and live on the moon imo.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Think we can workout, the production of the UK plants approx based on those figures about 30 mill doses given in the UK, 21 mill from the EU.

So interesting to approx work out production capacity in the UK, of course you have to distinguish between Pfizer and AZ in terms of imports, honestly thought the UK were producing more then that, also I know there is some or used to be some arrangement with India.

But interesting approx’s given we were trying to work out production capacity.

Think you need to factor in the vaccine we have in reserve to give out as second doses. I think it's well documented that we are stopping giving out first doses in April and focusing on second doses. Because of the timing, most of the second doses being given out next month will be the Pfizer and it's also fair to say that all of the second doses given out so far have also been Pfizer.

The only reference I can see to AZ imports from the EU is the first one in January, and AZ themselves have said this was insignificant. I would assume that the breakdown of the imports then would be Pfizer 20m and AZ 1m. This would probably also fit in nicely with the number of Pfizer doses needed to second jab in April.

Over 31m doses have been given so far. Assume we have given around 13/14m Pfizer, which will be a fair assessment with 6/7m second doses to be given next month. Then we must have given 17/18m AZ doses so far, of which 1m came from the EU. We're still giving 3/400k first doses a day for the rest of the month, so say we have had 20m AZ doses manufactured in the UK.

Not an exact science but with only 2 producers across Europe at the moment it's not too difficult to work out approximate figures from the information out there. Given other producers across Europe are ramping up their production, Pfizer and Lonza in Switzerland who are producing the Modena vaccine, I think it's fair to assume that AZ in the UK are doing the same, so their current output I suspect will be close to 10m a month. Whether this is from both the UK plants or just 1 I have no idea. Likewise I have no idea why the Dutch plant hasn't been sanctioned by the EMA yet.

The UK is due to start receiving the Moderna vaccine from May. It will be interesting to know whether we are due to get this from the Lonza plant or from the US.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

well they can die but the chances are pretty remote.

Pre covid the Flu was killing upwards of 700 thousand per year anyway globally, there was none of this panic then was there?

Respectfully, all cause mortality rose way above expected levels with each wave of the virus in the UK. Ditto
other European countries.

It doesn't do that with the flu, even with a bad year. Not to that level.

 

[BlueToff]

Bullshit, utter bullshit

This isn't to back him up as such.

He isn't massively incorrect there, on that bit in bold. Like, a massive proportion of us would be fine. Mild symptoms or whatever or none at all (which has been a big issue, because that's how it's spread undetected).

But, that proportion that aren't fine is still a very large figure and all it takes is to get a really bad hit of it - like @maccavennie did - and you could be on a ventilator. Regardless of health.

Obviously, underlying factors like age, health conditions then increase the likelihood.

 

[toffeepie1878]

Okay mate, so let's go by your logic that covid is the same as flu and let's take an average of 700k people dying globally from flu ( though WHO say it's between 300k and 690k). 2.5m have died from covid globally so that's 3.5x more deaths than flu. Certainly enough to have EVERY government in the world panic a Little more.

Now PHE said on 2018/19 we had 4k flu deaths in the UK which makes covid around 30 times more deadly.

Basic numbers above say its more deadly don't they?

I don't know mate, I don't know where your coming from tbh as I sounds like you keep going back to flu.

I go back to my original point, you should be grateful you don't know anyone who has had it or died from it. Your either very lucky or actually don't know anyone at all and live on the moon imo.

I honestly don't know of anyone who died of covid, and I know people in Ireland - many and in England (many) on top of large sections of Europe
as well as many areas of Asia so you are looking at a large area, if there were deaths of someone I am sure I would have heard.

If Covid is so bad why is the Nightingale hospital unused?

The country is run to the ground, I am struggling a bit to see why this was not happening when people were dying of flu or other diseases in years gone by, in 2015 over 125 thousand died of dementia and Alzheimer's in the UK alone

There was no panic in 2018 about excess flu deaths? no letters sent to people from the PM

Winter death toll highest since 1975: Failure of flu jab to combat severe outbreak resulted in more than 50,000 extra people dying in England and Wales last year​

PUBLISHED: 11:42, 30 November 2018 | UPDATED: 12:53, 30 November 2018

 

[Barnfred 55]

My limited understanding is for every 1st jab given, a 2nd dose is kept in reserve for that person.

Otherwise, the effect of the 1st dose ends up effectively being wasted if the 2nd is not given in the required timescale.

I wouldn't be that confident mate. I think we pretty much have all or most of the 2nd jabs for Pfizer, at least to see us through this month and next. After that I think AZ will be the dominant one of the two vaccines and, tbh, I'd be very surprised if we have sufficient stocks now to give a second dose to everybody. However, as this is manufactured in the UK the future supply is more assured so they don't need to be as careful.

 

[BlueToff]

I honestly don't know of anyone who died of covid, and I know people in Ireland - many and in England (many) on top of large sections of Europe
as well as many areas of Asia so you are looking at a large area, if there were deaths of someone I am sure I would have heard.

If Covid is so bad why is the Nightingale hospital unused?

The country is run to the ground, I am struggling a bit to see why this was not happening when people were dying of flu or other diseases in years gone by, in 2015 over 125 thousand died of dementia and Alzheimer's in the UK alone

There was no panic in 2018 about excess flu deaths? no letters sent to people from the PM

Winter death toll highest since 1975: Failure of flu jab to combat severe outbreak resulted in more than 50,000 extra people dying in England and Wales last year​

PUBLISHED: 11:42, 30 November 2018 | UPDATED: 12:53, 30 November 2018

Because we have been locked down (mostly) for the last 12 months...

 

[Neiler]

Think you need to factor in the vaccine we have in reserve to give out as second doses. I think it's well documented that we are stopping giving out first doses in April and focusing on second doses. Because of the timing, most of the second doses being given out next month will be the Pfizer and it's also fair to say that all of the second doses given out so far have also been Pfizer.

The only reference I can see to AZ imports from the EU is the first one in January, and AZ themselves have said this was insignificant. I would assume that the breakdown of the imports then would be Pfizer 20m and AZ 1m. This would probably also fit in nicely with the number of Pfizer doses needed to second jab in April.

Over 31m doses have been given so far. Assume we have given around 13/14m Pfizer, which will be a fair assessment with 6/7m second doses to be given next month. Then we must have given 17/18m AZ doses so far, of which 1m came from the EU. We're still giving 3/400k first doses a day for the rest of the month, so say we have had 20m AZ doses manufactured in the UK.

Not an exact science but with only 2 producers across Europe at the moment it's not too difficult to work out approximate figures from the information out there. Given other producers across Europe are ramping up their production, Pfizer and Lonza in Switzerland who are producing the Modena vaccine, I think it's fair to assume that AZ in the UK are doing the same, so their current output I suspect will be close to 10m a month. Whether this is from both the UK plants or just 1 I have no idea. Likewise I have no idea why the Dutch plant hasn't been sanctioned by the EMA yet.

The UK is due to start receiving the Moderna vaccine from May. It will be interesting to know whether we are due to get this from the Lonza plant or from the US.

It total madness the second European plant isn’t open, the delay, apparently had to apply for approval from the EMA, that was done last month, madness by both sides - madness.

I’d be interested in the U.K. Moderna contract, their is an obligation in the EU one, that a second dose - has to be kept when giving the first contractually.

Do you know anything on the plan on the the second dose U.K. supply chain mate, is it stockpiled, buffered or coming out of current supply?

 

[toffeepie1878]

Because we have been locked down (mostly) for the last 12 months...

its a hospital -- for sick and built for covid patients especially.

Too many rose tinted glasses on here