Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[maccavennie]

I honestly don't know of anyone who died of covid, and I know people in Ireland - many and in England (many) on top of large sections of Europe
as well as many areas of Asia so you are looking at a large area, if there were deaths of someone I am sure I would have heard.

If Covid is so bad why is the Nightingale hospital unused?

The country is run to the ground, I am struggling a bit to see why this was not happening when people were dying of flu or other diseases in years gone by, in 2015 over 125 thousand died of dementia and Alzheimer's in the UK alone

There was no panic in 2018 about excess flu deaths? no letters sent to people from the PM

Winter death toll highest since 1975: Failure of flu jab to combat severe outbreak resulted in more than 50,000 extra people dying in England and Wales last year​

PUBLISHED: 11:42, 30 November 2018 | UPDATED: 12:53, 30 November 2018

Well mate maybe Nightingale was unused because they didn't have enough staff, you'd have to use your best mate Google for that as I don't know.

From my own experience, the hospital I was in was overrun, understaffed, those that were working were working around around clock and doing a job far above and beyond I would have expected in the circumstances at the time and putting their own wellbeing at risk for the sake of mine and others like me at the time.

Just so you know, you can't catch Dementia or Alzheimers from having a pint with your mate as an example.

 

[random]

Do you know anything on the plan on the the second dose U.K. supply chain mate, is it stockpiled, buffered or coming out of current supply?

Probably a combination of all three I would think. Statements from the Government have indicated the 2nd doses will not be in a shortfall situation.


The UK appears to be ordering vaccines by the millions to take into account the distinct possibility of folks needing booster shots every year. Just been reading that they are ordering supplies that are scheduled for use in 2025. So they seem to have a long-term strategy in place which is quite surprising given the usual ineptness of our political leaders to do anything right.

 

[Barnfred 55]

It total madness the second European plant isn’t open, the delay, apparently had to apply for approval from the EMA, that was done last month, madness by both sides - madness.

I’d be interested in the U.K. Moderna contract, their is an obligation in the EU one, that a second dose - has to be kept when giving the first contractually.

Do you know anything on the plan on the the second dose U.K. supply chain mate, is it stockpiled, buffered or coming out of current supply?

One of them had a condition that the doses be given 4 weeks apart so keeping the second dose would make sense. It may have been the Modena one. But by that stage we would be already into the none classified group (the younger and healthy) so the desire to get as many first doses done wouldn't be so strong.

 

[BlueToff]

its a hospital -- for sick and built for covid patients especially.

Too many rose tinted glasses on here

There's more than one of them. My mum works for the person who runs the Yorkshire one.

They haven't been needed because our hospitals haven't been entirely overhwelmed. They came very close in January in the south east in particular

That's probably for a few reasons

1. We managed to treat people
2. A lot of people died so bed's/ventilators etc became free
3. Hospital capacities were stretched as much as possible

The Nightingales were/are there as a last resort. They would also have been more for overflow, not critical care requirements.

You're actually sounding unhappy that they weren't needed, when 125,000 people have died (or 120,000, if you insist 5,000 didn't die 'with covid').

 

[Neiler]

One of them had a condition that the doses be given 4 weeks apart so keeping the second dose would make sense. It may have been the Modena one. But by that stage we would be already into the none classified group (the younger and healthy) so the desire to get as many first doses done wouldn't be so strong.

Likely Moderna they must have done it with all their contracts.

Ha I know a few young and healthy on here who have a strong desire, it’s great craic working out the over 50s on here when they get their vaccine, some I’ve genuinely been surprised and concerned! lol

 

[whiteshadow]

Immunty from catching it on average 6 months - the antibody activity decreased after that point; the danger of reinfection is reduced thereafter by the memory B-cell response which can produce more antibody. In theory.

But you stick to your level of debate: "chat wham" and other such bon mots.

Immunity does not last for 6 months.

Antibodies not being present is irrelevant as you have t cell immunity. Your lack of understanding just proves your level of ignorance.

You can't answer why no one from last March, a full year ago, has been reinfected because you are wrong.

Feel free to direct me to the evidence that people from last 'year' are being reinfected, which you can't, because they haven't been.

You are a fountain of misinformation and ignorance.

 

[toffee82]

help me understand the NHS telling me over 5000 people died from covid despite testing negative?

I looked, and looked and looked - and cannot understand this garbage thrown at us

The problem is there is no strong leaders or anyone to question this trash and people like you think its perfect

Then I see news stories of people committing suicide and going into depression over this covid farce over the last year and think how it became to be this, there are tales like this we are even told about.

Do you not know anyone who works in health care either?
I've got friends and family who have told me how bad it has been.

 

[blulouie]

It’s an interesting one to watch, I don’t know the U.K. strategy to be honest, be interesting to see how things go in the next few weeks.

Id surmise the following the U.K. have been going billio, leading out on approx 30 mill first doses up to the end of March. The aim clearly was to get one dose into the arms of as many people as possible.

So at the end of March, the U.K. demand in their supply increases by 50%. By that I mean thats when what I’ll call the second dose debt, will kick in - simply when the really big numbers already vaccinated will need their second dose. The U.K. has been second doses of course, but the scale is about to ramp up significantly.

So one of two things will happen,

1) Either a buffer is there and the rate of fully vaccinated people begins to rise and first doses continue at the same pace.

2) No buffer (unlikey) or a % of a buffer is in place and the rate of 1st jabs will slow and be redirected to pay the second dose debt.

I’m honestly not sure what the U.K. plan is for a buffer or second doses, they could be stockpiled and double out put of first and second jabs at the current same pace, might have % of a buffer and first doses slow or are relying on supply and supply in given to the second dose debt.

Be interesting to see.

All adults to be offered jab by end of July.
All over 50's by 15 April , reasurance for all second doses .

Jenrick on GMB just now.

 

[tsubaki]

Immunity does not last for 6 months.

Antibodies not being present is irrelevant as you have t cell immunity. Your lack of understanding just proves your level of ignorance.

You can't answer why no one from last March, a full year ago, has been reinfected because you are wrong.

Feel free to direct me to the evidence that people from last 'year' are being reinfected, which you can't, because they haven't been.

You are a fountain of misinformation and ignorance.

Immunity does not last for 6 months.

Antibodies not being present is irrelevant as you have t cell immunity. Your lack of understanding just proves your level of ignorance.

You can't answer why no one from last March, a full year ago, has been reinfected because you are wrong.

Feel free to direct me to the evidence that people from last 'year' are being reinfected, which you can't, because they haven't been.

You are a fountain of misinformation and ignorance.

no one has been reinfected?

 

[peteblue]

It total madness the second European plant isn’t open, the delay, apparently had to apply for approval from the EMA, that was done last month, madness by both sides - madness.

I’d be interested in the U.K. Moderna contract, their is an obligation in the EU one, that a second dose - has to be kept when giving the first contractually.

Do you know anything on the plan on the the second dose U.K. supply chain mate, is it stockpiled, buffered or coming out of current supply?

We’re not telling you, we’ve got you marked down as an EU vaccine spy....

 

[Barnfred 55]

I would honestly just stop all this messing about and Nuke the garlic munching clowns.

Personally.

I don't know why but I had visions of Vinnie Jones driving a London red bus through the streets of Paris when I read that

 

[grandjoeblue]

no one has been reinfected?

They're only 6 months into the study I believe. Some people across the UK have been reinfected but its relatively rare. There is a place in Brazil where everyone got reinfected with another strain.

 

[BlueToff]

For example @peteblue , I don't see anything Corbyn is saying here as 'dangerous'.

It seems sensible and reasonable and from personal experience of having to use the UC system, it's needed, too.



He may have been a flawed leader. But I don't get why there's so much hatred towards him.

Anyway, that's enough politics for the day!

He is dressed like Colonel Sanders, mind.

 

[peteblue]

its a hospital -- for sick and built for covid patients especially.

Too many rose tinted glasses on here

They were hospitals set up quickly in case the NHS was overrun. In the event, with people locking down, the NHS managed to cope. They were an expensive safety valve that fortunately did not have to be used......

 

[Neiler]

We’re not telling you, we’ve got you marked down as an EU vaccine spy....

Who do you think you are kidding Mr Hitler........lol