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davek said:
But Whitty has underlined that the vaccines wont take amongst many of the vulnerable, and if there;'s a surge this summer there could be anothrer 30,000 killed because of that and the fact other vulnerable people haven't had the jab yet.
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It won’t take because some of the vulnerable may not have enough antibodies to cope with the effects from the vaccines. There may well be another 30k deaths but then again there may not be, the summer is still another 3/4 months away by which time another 15-20 million will have had first or second doses
 
tsubaki said:
So why does that not require evidence to back it up?

I mean you’ve demanded the people who called it a risk must provide some (even though they have), whilst then making a statement like it’s “paid off for the benefit of a lot of people”, for which you’ve got no evidence at all.
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No I haven't demanded it. I'm saying they've said the same thing now as they did in January. My point all along was that if those things were coming true, we'd see. We thankfully haven't. Doesn't mean it's not right to give the warnings, of course not, but thankfully, what they've warned against hasn't come to pass.

What do you mean I've got no evidence?

The evidence is that millions of people who wouldn't yet have had a first jab, have received a first jab. The evidence is both my parents going to be fully vaccinated by early June. The evidence is my nana and granddad getting their second jab in the next two weeks.
 
Nobby Nobbs said:
Yeah that’s were we got done, when we got there we queued up in the corridor which was crowded with people waiting for the vaccine and also being used for general hospital traffic, 5 minutes after joining the queue we looked behind us and the queue was right down the corridor. After a couple of minutes a lady asked us for our Ref number which we didn’t have, nor did the lad in front of us or the people in front of him, it turns out that the website should’ve given out a reference number which it didn’t. All those without a number were told to queue on the other side of the door way, so there was a massive queues on both sides of the door way, so when we eventually got into the vaccs centre we had to re- register all this with no SD in place. As I said not the best experience but it may well have been a one off. Going by what people have said on this thread it seems the vast majority have had good experiences.
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Yes, there was a bit of a queue and I thought they could have organised the “who’s next to move on to the injection room “ better. On the flip side they’re getting through the numbers and judging by how busy Old Swan was, the faster the better .
 
Nobby Nobbs said:
3rd March last Wednesday 1.30.
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My sister was the following day.

She was unexpectedly given an appointment (she thought given her age she'd be waiting until May or so).

I think these sites have been given the order to just make use of every bit of vaccine they have and that chokes up appointment times.
 
BlueStevie35 said:
It won’t take because some of the vulnerable may not have enough antibodies to cope with the effects from the vaccines. There may well be another 30k deaths but then again there may not be, the summer is still another 3/4 months away by which time another 15-20 million will have had first or second doses
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Then why have we been hearing from all commentators that the vaccine will be the difference?

There's only a difference if the death rate is massivley reduced to relatively small proportions.

The death toll envisaged by Whitty for a surge is not a decisive turn of events with the vaccines. Those figures represent another catastrophe.

In short: all those on here and elsewhere who argue that the vaccines will allow normality are talking out of their hoops...and they probably knew it all along deep down.
 
peteblue said:
Then you should refuse to have it, you wouldn’t want to be seen as a hypocrite would you......
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Why would I do that?

There's a better chance taking it and getting some security than taking it and suffering a side effect like thombosis.

But that doesn't magic away the problem of a side effect like that.

Stop lashing out and start trying to explain and account for things that aren't going right.
 
Kurt. said:
The local Tesco has had to send 19 staff home this morning and require them to get tested and to isolate, my daughter is working there at the moment (albeit driving a van) , she’s hoping she doesn’t get pinged to isolate again as she’s had to do this twice previously
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While it's crap - and same with the school - people want a 'test, track and trace' system.

Well, this is it.
 
davek said:
Why would I do that?

There's a better chance taking it and getting some security than taking it and suffering a side effect like thombosis.

But that doesn't magic away the problem of a side effect like that.

Stop lashing out and start trying to explain and account for things that aren't going right.
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I’m not lashing out. I thought I explained what would happen regarding the batch under question. There is still no known proven side effect of this nature. Of course Italy, the country that refused to send AZ to Australia, have now decided not use it, as a precaution. Spain continues to use it and have reported no issues. The EMA says there is no link of blood clotting to AZ. Once again the EU is frightening itself not to use a vaccine that other countries would do anything to receive. Meanwhile the U.K. continues with it rollout programme and it sounds like there may be even more vaccine about to become available.......
 
davek said:
Then why have we been hearing from all commentators that the vaccine will be the difference?

There's only a difference if the death rate is massivley reduced to relatively small proportions.

The death toll envisaged by Whitty for a surge is not a decisive turn of events with the vaccines. Those figures represent another catastrophe.

In short: all those on here and elsewhere who argue that the vaccines will allow normality are talking out of their hoops...and they probably knew it all along deep down.
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It will be a difference because it will prevent the less vunerable from ending up in hospital, swamping the NHS
 
BlueToff said:
No I haven't demanded it. I'm saying they've said the same thing now as they did in January. My point all along was that if those things were coming true, we'd see. We thankfully haven't. Doesn't mean it's not right to give the warnings, of course not, but thankfully, what they've warned against hasn't come to pass.

What do you mean I've got no evidence?

The evidence is that millions of people who wouldn't yet have had a first jab, have received a first jab. The evidence is both my parents going to be fully vaccinated by early June. The evidence is my nana and granddad getting their second jab in the next two weeks.
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If the Pfizer vaccine had been given as approved, as tested and as the manufacturer recommended we’d still have millions who had been given first jabs, and millions more who’d have the second too. Your parents and your grandparents would probably have had the same protection as they’ve had now.

The only difference is that we’d know it worked; there wouldn’t have been a decision made without evidence and then waiting to see if the many warnings about it happened or not. It would have been a flawless vaccination programme, instead of one about which questions must be asked.
 
tsubaki said:
If the Pfizer vaccine had been given as approved, as tested and as the manufacturer recommended we’d still have millions who had been given first jabs, and millions more who’d have the second too. Your parents and your grandparents would probably have had the same protection as they’ve had now.

The only difference is that we’d know it worked; there wouldn’t have been a decision made without evidence and then waiting to see if the many warnings about it happened or not. It would have been a flawless vaccination programme, instead of one about which questions must be asked.
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There's no guarantee of that at all.

As per the initial plan for the vaccines, I wasn't due until September for my first jab. Since it changed, combined with the rapid roll out, I'm due in May. I'm pretty sure my dad wouldn't have been getting his in mid-Feb based on the initial plan.

Well,on your point in bold, we'd know it worked from the labs. Again, we wouldn't have known with any real world data until it started coming out, which it did from Israel and now has been from the UK and now is from other countries.

You say there wasn't a need for it but, clearly, there was - and the CMOs and people in charge of the vaccine roll out made that decision.
 
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