Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

There's no guarantee of that at all.

As per the initial plan for the vaccines, I wasn't due until September for my first jab. Since it changed, combined with the rapid roll out, I'm due in May. I'm pretty sure my dad wouldn't have been getting his in mid-Feb based on the initial plan.

Well,on your point in bold, we'd know it worked from the labs. Again, we wouldn't have known with any real world data until it started coming out, which it did from Israel and now has been from the UK and now is from other countries.

You say there wasn't a need for it but, clearly, there was - and the CMOs and people in charge of the vaccine roll out made that decision.

There is as close to a guarantee though - we know how many first and second jabs have been given, so working out how many would have been given if Pfizer had been done properly is something that can be guessed at.

The earlier rumours of when people would get jabs were just that, rumours based without knowing how the vaccination programme would go.

As for knowing it had worked from the labs, well yes but that’s how it was trialled and approved - our findings have only confirmed that. This is markedly different than doing something with no evidence, and no trial except real world conditions. As I’ve said repeatedly I hope it works, but I think it’s an appalling risk they’ve run.

 

[Goat]

Then why have we been hearing from all commentators that the vaccine will be the difference?

There's only a difference if the death rate is massivley reduced to relatively small proportions.

The death toll envisaged by Whitty for a surge is not a decisive turn of events with the vaccines. Those figures represent another catastrophe.

In short: all those on here and elsewhere who argue that the vaccines will allow normality are talking out of their hoops...and they probably knew it all along deep down.

The only fella talking out of his hoop is Whitty, the fella has been wrong every time he opened his trap.

But you probably know this, deep down.

Just an example.


Dr. Anthony Fauci says US could reach pre-pandemic 'normals' by September

Top U.S. infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said Wednesday that current vaccination levels indicate the United States could reach pre-pandemic levels of “normal life” by late August or early September.

Fauci made the comment during a virtual news briefing on herd immunity by the White House COVID-19 Response Team.

Fauci said their best estimates regarding when herd immunity would be reached and enough people are considered immune from the virus range between 70% to 85% of the U.S. population.

He said at current vaccination rates, that level should be reached at the end of the North American summer. But he also said that if the nation is vaccinating 2 million to 3 million people a day, society is increasingly more protected.

 

[BlueToff]

There is as close to a guarantee though - we know how many first and second jabs have been given, so working out how many would have been given if Pfizer had been done properly is something that can be guessed at.

The earlier rumours of when people would get jabs were just that, rumours based without knowing how the vaccination programme would go.

As for knowing it had worked from the labs, well yes but that’s how it was trialled and approved - our findings have only confirmed that. This is markedly different than doing something with no evidence, and no trial except real world conditions. As I’ve said repeatedly I hope it works, but I think it’s an appalling risk they’ve run.

Okay, I know you won't change your mind.

I think it was a risk, but one which was needed.

Now the focus has to be on reducing the gap as much as poss across the board now there's more and more available.

 

[BlueToff]

The only fella talking out of his hoop is Whitty, the fella has been wrong every time he opened his trap.

But you probably know this, deep down.

Just an example.


Dr. Anthony Fauci says US could reach pre-pandemic 'normals' by September

Top U.S. infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said Wednesday that current vaccination levels indicate the United States could reach pre-pandemic levels of “normal life” by late August or early September.

Fauci made the comment during a virtual news briefing on herd immunity by the White House COVID-19 Response Team.

Fauci said their best estimates regarding when herd immunity would be reached and enough people are considered immune from the virus range between 70% to 85% of the U.S. population.

He said at current vaccination rates, that level should be reached at the end of the North American summer. But he also said that if the nation is vaccinating 2 million to 3 million people a day, society is increasingly more protected.

Tbf to Whitty, Goat, he's not actually said that opening up as we are planning to is the issue. He's stressed that if we open up sooner, and rush it, then that's where the issues will come.

There's going to be spikes - Whitty and Valance said this when the roadmap was announced - but given the vaccine roll out, they have confidence that those dates are the right ones to manage those spikes.

 

[Goat]

Tbf to Whitty, Goat, he's not actually said that opening up as we are planning to is the issue. He's stressed that if we open up sooner, and rush it, then that's where the issues will come.

There's going to be spikes - Whitty and Valance said this when the roadmap was announced - but given the vaccine roll out, they have confidence that those dates are the right ones to manage those spikes.

As much blood on their hands as Boris the Butcher for me.

Boris is an utter moron, but those 2 and Van Tam all stood by and did nothing as the virus rampaged through the country.

 

[BlueToff]

As much blood on their hands as Boris the Butcher for me.

Boris is an utter moron, but those 2 and Van Tam all stood by and did nothing as the virus rampaged through the country.

Fair enough, just think his comments this week have been taken badly out of context.

 

[BlueToff]

Covid-19 pandemic: France eases travel for UK and six other countries

A "compelling reason" is no longer needed to travel to and from the non-EU countries, officials say.

t.co

Croissant republic

 

[davek]

It will be a difference because it will prevent the less vunerable from ending up in hospital, swamping the NHS

How d'you work that out?

If they're not protected by a vaccine how would they avoid being hospitalised?

On a broader note: In light of Whitty's comments, I really do think we should have GOT Covid *Recovery* Group explain to us all how the vaccines are going to make "everything normal" again - as per their claims for the past few months - in their petitioning for lockdown to end.

 

[BlueToff]

How d'you work that out?

If they're not protected by a vaccine how would they avoid being hospitalised?

On a broader note: In light of Whitty's comments, I really do think we should have GOT Covid *Recovery* Group explain to us all how the vaccines are going to make "everything normal" again - as per their claims for the past few months - in their petitioning for lockdown to end.

Because the vaccines protect from serious illness, but potentially not infection.

But you know this.

 

[davek]

The only fella talking out of his hoop is Whitty, the fella has been wrong every time he opened his trap.

But you probably know this, deep down.

Just an example.


Dr. Anthony Fauci says US could reach pre-pandemic 'normals' by September

Top U.S. infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said Wednesday that current vaccination levels indicate the United States could reach pre-pandemic levels of “normal life” by late August or early September.

Fauci made the comment during a virtual news briefing on herd immunity by the White House COVID-19 Response Team.

Fauci said their best estimates regarding when herd immunity would be reached and enough people are considered immune from the virus range between 70% to 85% of the U.S. population.

He said at current vaccination rates, that level should be reached at the end of the North American summer. But he also said that if the nation is vaccinating 2 million to 3 million people a day, society is increasingly more protected.

That's with 80% vaccinated in the population. This country is at 33% and opening up scjhools which are drivers for infection.

The US is not yet being fully affected with the UK Virus variant, which will see their plans derailed.

 

[davek]

Because the vaccines protect from serious illness, but potentially not infection.

But you know this.

If they protect from serious illness, why is the Chief Medical Officer saying we can expect a 30,000 death toll in another surge this summer?

Can you die without getting seriously ill !!??

 

[Goat]

That's with 80% vaccinated in the population. This country is at 33% and opening up scjhools which are drivers for infection.

The US is not yet being fully affected with the UK Virus variant, which will see their plans derailed.

The UK virus variant is all over the place.

33% in March, is it not acceptable to suggest that in 4 months we will approach 80%?

 

[davek]

The UK virus variant is all over the place.

33% in March, is it not acceptable to suggest that in 4 months we will approach 80%?

The country is reopening NOW.

Schools are all back (and some getting closed again - to underline how infectious those places still are.)

The detah cult in control of the Tories will have everything open again by late spring.

 

[COYBL25]

How d'you work that out?
Whitty and Vallance need lynching. No question. Two nodding dogs.

The wind seems to be changing direction an awfully lot these days.

 

[Goat]

The country is reopening NOW.

Schools are all back (and some getting closed again - to underline how infectious those places still are.)

The detah cult in control of the Tories will have everything open again by late spring.

Yeah you seem to be focusing a lot on schools closing.

You know why they close, right? To prevent infections, you keep suggesting this is a bad thing, you know very well the virus is still circulating, so why wouldn't there be infections?

Why not focus on the hundreds if not thousands of schools that are remaining open, virus free?

Its ok, I know why.