Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

An odd response this - there’s clear evidence from that study there that they are less protected by just one dose than they are by two.

Saying “well, no ones died” instead of acknowledging that evidence is basically irrelevant - there might not be anyone counting whether people have died, and even if there is one would imagine the next line of defence from those backing what’s been done here will be “well, they had really bad cancer” anyway.

One also wonders how many warnings - from Pfizer themselves, the BMA and others - people need before they start to recognise the risk that’s been run here with many very vulnerable people’s lives.

There is a risk that has been run, a calculated one which so far has paid off - for the benefit of a lot of people.

That's my point.

 

[davek]

For those who've had the jab, what are people's experience of the vaccination sites (conditions / efficiency). Heard a few horror stories, especially in places adapted to roll out the vaccine as opposed to the NHS sites: social distancing not all it should be, 45 minute waiting time (even for AZ vaccinations), poorly ventilated window-less rooms, packed waiting areas.

I dont expect too many will report all of those faults; but I'm hearing enough anecdotal evidence to suggest that the high volume of vaccinations are causing slippages in protocols, as in the above examples.

 

[Neiler]

Depends where it was manufactured and when. There may well be an issue with a particular batch, that’s why they have batch numbers. This particular batch will almost certainly have originated outside of the U.K. ....

You can definitely guarantee that! lol

 

[davek]

I wonder where the batch was manufactured........

Is that your response?

May I remind you that these vaccines are on emergecny license. We literally dont know what they can and cant do.

 

[davek]

Denmark now.

Denmark’s national health agency has said it is temporarily suspending inoculations with the AstraZeneca vaccine after blood clots formed in several people who had the jab, one of whom has reportedly died.

The agency said on Thursday that it had not conclusively established a link between the clots and the vaccine, but said it had asked the regional authorities in charge of the vaccination rollout to stop using the AstraZeneca shot for the time being.

The agency said it would reassess the situation in consultation with the Danish medicines agency in two weeks but stressed there was “good evidence that the vaccine is both safe and effective”.

“We are in the middle of the largest and most important vaccination rollout in Danish history,” Søren Brostrøm, the agency’s director, said. “Right now we need all the vaccines we can get. It is therefore not an easy decision to put one on pause.”

But he added: “Precisely because we are vaccinating so many people, we also need to respond promptly and carefully when we have knowledge of possible serious side effects. We need to clarify this before we can continue using the AstraZeneca vacine.”

Danish media said the suspension meant people who have had an initial shot of the Anglo-Swedish vaccine would not receive a second jab for the time being and all AstraZeneca vaccination slots had been cancelled.

 

[BlueToff]

For those who've had the jab, what are people's experience of the vaccination sites (conditions / efficiency). Heard a few horror stories, especially in places adapted to roll out the vaccine as opposed to the NHS sites: social distancing not all it should be, 45 minute waiting time (even for AZ vaccinations), poorly ventilated window-less rooms, packed waiting areas.

I dont expect too many will report all of those faults; but I'm hearing enough anecdotal evidence to suggest that the high volume of vaccinations are causing slippages in protocols, as in the above examples.

My dad had a glitch where he wasn't on their paper system but was on the digital one. He went to the test/vaccine centre nearby. Took about 40 mins due to that issue but other people were in and out quickly he said.

The overwhelming experience for the vast majority of people has been quick and easy and painless. This is an unprecedented roll out at a scale we'll hopefully never have to see again. There's bound to be some issues.

In inner city areas with high minority populations, they're allowing people to just go and get jabbed without an appointment. This is to encourage ethnic minorities to go and get their jabs. Those places may be busier as you can just turn up? The person that I met who has been to one of them and told us about them got his in about 15 mins.

 

[BlueToff]

Denmark now.

Denmark’s national health agency has said it is temporarily suspending inoculations with the AstraZeneca vaccine after blood clots formed in several people who had the jab, one of whom has reportedly died.

The agency said on Thursday that it had not conclusively established a link between the clots and the vaccine, but said it had asked the regional authorities in charge of the vaccination rollout to stop using the AstraZeneca shot for the time being.

The agency said it would reassess the situation in consultation with the Danish medicines agency in two weeks but stressed there was “good evidence that the vaccine is both safe and effective”.

“We are in the middle of the largest and most important vaccination rollout in Danish history,” Søren Brostrøm, the agency’s director, said. “Right now we need all the vaccines we can get. It is therefore not an easy decision to put one on pause.”

But he added: “Precisely because we are vaccinating so many people, we also need to respond promptly and carefully when we have knowledge of possible serious side effects. We need to clarify this before we can continue using the AstraZeneca vacine.”

Danish media said the suspension meant people who have had an initial shot of the Anglo-Swedish vaccine would not receive a second jab for the time being and all AstraZeneca vaccination slots had been cancelled.

Denmark has been ahead of most of the rest of the EU27 with its vaccination rollout and has already

lol

Imagine that was happening here ey?

 

[roydo]

For those who've had the jab, what are people's experience of the vaccination sites (conditions / efficiency). Heard a few horror stories, especially in places adapted to roll out the vaccine as opposed to the NHS sites: social distancing not all it should be, 45 minute waiting time (even for AZ vaccinations), poorly ventilated window-less rooms, packed waiting areas.

I dont expect too many will report all of those faults; but I'm hearing enough anecdotal evidence to suggest that the high volume of vaccinations are causing slippages in protocols, as in the above examples.

@Connor

What was your experience?

 

[davek]

lol

Imagine that was happening here ey?

How do you know it's not.

 

[davek]

The UK are going to have to address this AZ issue.

 

[peteblue]

Is that your response?

May I remind you that these vaccines are on emergecny license. We literally dont know what they can and cant do.

Of course it’s my response. While the medical guys try to work out if the vaccine was involved, the manufacturers in parallel have to check the conditions of manufacture, the supply of components etc etc etc and where they came from and when etc etc etc. Or would you prefer to shut down all vaccinations on the off chance that maybe the vaccine had something to do with it.....

 

[peteblue]

The UK are going to have to address this AZ issue.

We don’t have an AZ issue.....

 

[davek]

We don’t have an AZ issue.....

AZ is the issue.

 

[davek]

Of course it’s my response. While the medical guys try to work out if the vaccine was involved, the manufacturers in parallel have to check the conditions of manufacture, the supply of components etc etc etc and where they came from and when etc etc etc. Or would you prefer to shut down all vaccinations on the off chance that maybe the vaccine had something to do with it.....

In normal times that vaccine would be stood down.

 

[davek]

AZ statement...

We've had a statement from AstraZeneca after Denmark suspended use of one batch of its coronavirus vaccine.

The move came after a woman died from blood clots after having received a dose.

A spokesman says: “Patient safety is the highest priority for AstraZeneca.

"Regulators have clear and stringent efficacy and safety standards for the approval of any new medicine, and that includes [the so-called] Covid-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca.

"The safety of the vaccine has been extensively studied in Phase III clinical trials and peer-reviewed data confirms the vaccine has been generally well-tolerated.”

That's reassuring...