Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Charro said:
You think they’ll be a variant more deadly than the original virus that will completely evade the vaccine to such an extent it will cause mass death?

That’s some prediction, I must say. What’s your reasoning for this?

I mean, we all know variants are a danger, but they’re just the nature of this virus and it would surprise me to see mass deaths as the result of a new variant.
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It's the view of many scientists that the current vaccines will be compromised partially and then wholly. Itls then up to a second generation of vaccine to take up the fight. The intervening period wont result in mass death IF we modify our behaviour and we suppress this virus at every place it turns up.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
It's a gradual reduction of around 25% week on week. If it continues in that vein for the next month until the next phase of opening up in mid April, we could be down to around 1000 infections per week. That is a similar level as last summer when we were only testing around 15% of what we are now.

In my view there won't be a spike when schools return, just a potential slow down in the reduction to the infection rate. But even this I expect to be offset by the effects of the vaccination process on infections.

Let's wait a month and see which one of us is correct.
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We'll see a spike up, for sure. Just how great the upward tick is we dont know. Itls likely to result in a stubborn plateauing out of communal infection rate though.
 
There is certainly going to be a spike in cases when the kids go back to school (in my opinion). It's most likely due to the kids being tested and the general unavoidable contact they will all have. What remains to be seen is whether it causes hospitalisations to increase to a worrying level. Hopefully not but only time will tell.

What will most certainly happen is when we do get a spike in cases the likes of the BBC, ITV and channel 4 will have their breaking news banners out and round the clock coverage. Scary headlines that do not correlate with the actual article.
 
davek said:
It's the view of many scientists that the current vaccines will be compromised partially and then wholly. Itls then up to a second generation of vaccine to take up the fight. The intervening period wont result in mass death IF we modify our behaviour and we suppress this virus at every place it turns up.
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Thats one of the many scenarios that could happen.

You talk about it like it’s inevitable, it isn’t.

They’ll be bumps along the road and I’ll be surprised if this roadmap happens in the timeline stated, but a variant that completely bypasses the vaccine and causes another load of mass deaths seem highly unlikely to me.
 
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ForeverBlue92 said:
Its not about learning anything its about accepting reality.

People know eating crap, drinking coca cola and intaking sugar damages you but millions do it anyway and telling them otherwise gets you nowhere.

The economy is a mess, life is just existence and people have barely kept to the rules with thousanda dying a day - there is no way once everyone has had 2 doses and the death/hospital rates plummit will the population accept further restrictions on their lives/livelihoods its just not happening mate.

Even places like Australia who've done well have done so with certain restrictions- what happens if they want to host a world cup or rugby comp in future and have thousands coming in from overseas? Lockdown for 5 days soon as someone visiting comes down with a cough? Its unsustainable
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A big part of the reason people eat and drink unhealthy things is because unhealthy things are specifically and expensively marketed to them, usually in unhealthy ways. This is a conscious decision by the firms involved, not something that’s always been.

I’m not sure the article mentioned earlier that pointed to the much greater level of obesity in the West has enough evidence behind it to say that about COVID yet, but the many other health risks caused by the supply of unhealthy food are well known.

There’s been some work to try and mitigate this, but it’s mostly for show (at least from government) and the trend (especially if the deal is signed with the US) has been more unhealthy, not less. There’s also not been much done to increase access to sport facilities that might help with an obesity crisis too (given how many have closed or had increases in cost, how few workplaces have a gym etc).

Which is sort of the point with this crisis - we’re repeatedly told people won’t live with restrictions, when the reality probably is the government aren’t going to actually do anything to deal with the known problems because it might cost some people money.
 
davek said:
We'll see a spike up, for sure. Just how great the upward tick is we dont know. Itls likely to result in a stubborn plateauing out of communal infection rate though.
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As I said. Let's give it a month and see which one of us is right. You predict a spike. I predict a slowdown in the reduction to the infections
 
JLW said:
Get jabbed and get back to life ffs stop coming up what ifs, some people have been severely brainwashed in here.
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Me and the missus booked in for our first jabs next Thursday. Second jab towards end of May, shortly after pubs and restaurants open. By my reckoning, over 75% of the adult population will have had their first jab by then, and around 25m will have had both.

I think that's both amazing and brilliant
 
Barnfred 55 said:
Me and the missus booked in for our first jabs next Thursday. Second jab towards end of May, shortly after pubs and restaurants open. By my reckoning, over 75% of the adult population will have had their first jab by then, and around 25m will have had both.

I think that's both amazing and brilliant
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Great news mate.

I think were at the very end of this nightmare.
 
tsubaki said:
A big part of the reason people eat and drink unhealthy things is because unhealthy things are specifically and expensively marketed to them, usually in unhealthy ways. This is a conscious decision by the firms involved, not something that’s always been.

I’m not sure the article mentioned earlier that pointed to the much greater level of obesity in the West has enough evidence behind it to say that about COVID yet, but the many other health risks caused by the supply of unhealthy food are well known.

There’s been some work to try and mitigate this, but it’s mostly for show (at least from government) and the trend (especially if the deal is signed with the US) has been more unhealthy, not less. There’s also not been much done to increase access to sport facilities that might help with an obesity crisis too (given how many have closed or had increases in cost, how few workplaces have a gym etc).

Which is sort of the point with this crisis - we’re repeatedly told people won’t live with restrictions, when the reality probably is the government aren’t going to actually do anything to deal with the known problems because it might cost some people money.
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I think the problem is mate is with how far spread Covid is worldwide its going to realistically take years to fully eradicate it. Global economies are knackered in less than one year of restrictions with people suffering lockdown fatigue how can we do it realistically?

Then in the West restrictions only work on the basis of them being accepted by the population - people told their life / livelihoods are on hold for a year until the vaccines are made to then be told "sorry hardly anyone is in hospital with Covid anymore but you still cant do x y z for another 3-5 years whilst we try eradicate the virus and all its strains" I can imagine will go down like a lead balloon.

Realistically our best hope is everyone having 2 doses whilst the vaccine manufacturers start producing booster shots for the other variants like SA.

I personally dont think they should be having large scale concerts or full capacity footie stadiums until around September at the earliest and would be happy with wearing masks in the winter months but anything more than that for me is too intrusive and is causing more problems than the virus itself.
 
davek said:
It's the view of many scientists that the current vaccines will be compromised partially and then wholly. Itls then up to a second generation of vaccine to take up the fight. The intervening period wont result in mass death IF we modify our behaviour and we suppress this virus at every place it turns up.
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Some scientists are saying things could 'possibly' happen.

If we are going off real hard evidence all evidence points towards the vaccine preventing death from every known variant. The simple fact is everyone has to reopen. In my opinion I'm starting to think certain things such as pubs should be reopened sooner as the vaccine results are brilliant. 700,000 tests a day with positive rates of around 1%. The vaccine has saved us and its time to rejoice.
 
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