Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueStevie35]

May be controversial opinion here.. but as much as the government has fluffed it's way through the pandemic with it's constant mixed-messages (particularly early on) I don't think the British people have necessarily covered themselves in glory either..

The first lockdown, overall, was a success. The problem has been that by the end of last summer people simply got fed up of restrictions and it's been a bit of a s**t show since. I can't believe how much busier it's gotten out and about considering we're still actually meant to be in a 'full national lockdown'...

The likes of Whitty, Van Tam et al can say 'it isn't over' and 'continue to stay indoors' as much as they want but by this point it's largely falling on deaf ears. Patience has worn out and common sense has been thrown out the window.

Not controversial at all, there’s simply a good percentage of the public that are a mix of selfish idiots, conspiracy theorists and anti vaxers. That’s one reason why we will never be fully over the virus

 

[grandjoeblue]

@davek I don't think that article produces anything significant. It also assumes that lower efficacy = death which is unlikely to be the case.

Minor cases are not a problem. If the vaccine prevents deaths those estimates will be completely wrong.

 

[SussexToffee]

Also, they (the additional deaths), are most probably from over well more than seven days ago, so in reality do not affect the seven day average total. They’ve just been added on all in one day rather than the actual days they happened, thus scewing the numbers wrongly.

 

[Number_25]

How many of those 2000 participants needed hospital treatment or died though sir who had the AZ?

If the answer is none then thats good news regardless of if it doesnt help stopping you catching it.

We'll also have a specific booster shot for that in the coming months no doubt.

You are aware that transmission alone significantly speeds up the rate of mutation yeah?

 

[grandjoeblue]

May be controversial opinion here.. but as much as the government has fluffed it's way through the pandemic with it's constant mixed-messages (particularly early on) I don't think the British people have necessarily covered themselves in glory either..

The first lockdown, overall, was a success and I genuinely think that was carried mainly by the 'scare factor' of the virus being new & relatively unknown to us. The problem has been that by the end of last summer people simply got fed up of restrictions and it's been a bit of a s**t show since. I can't believe how much busier it's gotten out and about considering we're still actually meant to be in a 'full national lockdown'...

The likes of Whitty, Van Tam et al can say 'it isn't over' and 'continue to stay indoors' as much as they want but by this point it's largely falling on deaf ears. Patience has worn out and common sense has been thrown out the window. There are people out there who've stopped social distancing and wearing masks now for christ sake!

Google protests in Holland or Germany if you think its bad here. Many countries in europe are much worse.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

You are aware that transmission alone significantly speeds up the rate of mutation yeah?

Nothing we can do about that though - the flu could mutate into a killer strain and wipe us out every year but we still live with it.

Up until Covid hit no one gave a 2nd thought about "what if the flu mutated into a disease X" now everyones become a FB scientist and paranoid over Covid.

Couldnt live my life terrified of what ifs me.

 

[Tubey]

May be controversial opinion here.. but as much as the government has fluffed it's way through the pandemic with it's constant mixed-messages (particularly early on) I don't think the British people have necessarily covered themselves in glory either..

The first lockdown, overall, was a success and I genuinely think that was carried mainly by the 'scare factor' of the virus being new & relatively unknown to us. The problem has been that by the end of last summer people simply got fed up of restrictions and it's been a bit of a s**t show since. I can't believe how much busier it's gotten out and about considering we're still actually meant to be in a 'full national lockdown'...

The likes of Whitty, Van Tam et al can say 'it isn't over' and 'continue to stay indoors' as much as they want but by this point it's largely falling on deaf ears. Patience has worn out and common sense has been thrown out the window. There are people out there who've stopped social distancing and wearing masks now for christ sake!

That's human behavioural science and was predicted before the first lockdown. Every country on the planet with the exception of oppressive regimes would have the same issue, not just the UK. It's the argument as to why they delayed pulling the trigger then, as they knew if you went too early then the longer it goes the more people become fed up and ignore it.

Of course, they ended up going too late, but hey ho.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Just an amendment on this, 172 additional deaths were added retrospectively to the 28 day cut off total, making the new total as 487. This is now 144 up, not 28 down on the Tuesday figure and 65 up, not 127 down on last Wednesday. This meant the 7 day rolling average rose to 290.86

The 60 day cut off figure came out as 685, up 122 on Tuesday and up 53 on last Wednesday. That 7 day rolling average rose to 435.86

Scaremongering...

 

[tsubaki]

May be controversial opinion here.. but as much as the government has fluffed it's way through the pandemic with it's constant mixed-messages (particularly early on) I don't think the British people have necessarily covered themselves in glory either..

The first lockdown, overall, was a success and I genuinely think that was carried mainly by the 'scare factor' of the virus being new & relatively unknown to us. The problem has been that by the end of last summer people simply got fed up of restrictions and it's been a bit of a s**t show since. I can't believe how much busier it's gotten out and about considering we're still actually meant to be in a 'full national lockdown'...

The likes of Whitty, Van Tam et al can say 'it isn't over' and 'continue to stay indoors' as much as they want but by this point it's largely falling on deaf ears. Patience has worn out and common sense has been thrown out the window. There are people out there who've stopped social distancing and wearing masks now for christ sake!

Hard to see that as anything more than victim blaming TBF.

The first lockdown was much more severe because that’s the message the government sent out, right up until the Cummings story broke and it became apparent the advice didn’t really apply to them. Johnson being ill helped too, shutting up a lot of the scum who wanted the country to remain open irrespective of the death toll.

This lockdown has been less severe, but that’s largely down to government design too - they’ve allowed far more people to work, travel and so on, more shops are open and their mates in the papers feel more emboldened to demand things that will kill people again.

 

[Tramps_mate]

May be controversial opinion here.. but as much as the government has fluffed it's way through the pandemic with it's constant mixed-messages (particularly early on) I don't think the British people have necessarily covered themselves in glory either..

The first lockdown, overall, was a success and I genuinely think that was carried mainly by the 'scare factor' of the virus being new & relatively unknown to us. The problem has been that by the end of last summer people simply got fed up of restrictions and it's been a bit of a s**t show since. I can't believe how much busier it's gotten out and about considering we're still actually meant to be in a 'full national lockdown'...

The likes of Whitty, Van Tam et al can say 'it isn't over' and 'continue to stay indoors' as much as they want but by this point it's largely falling on deaf ears. Patience has worn out and common sense has been thrown out the window. There are people out there who've stopped social distancing and wearing masks now for christ sake!

I know loads and loads of scum bags who are still round at people's houses getting smashed on weekends..

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Hard to see that as anything more than victim blaming TBF.

The first lockdown was much more severe because that’s the message the government sent out, right up until the Cummings story broke and it became apparent the advice didn’t really apply to them. Johnson being ill helped too, shutting up a lot of the scum who wanted the country to remain open irrespective of the death toll.

This lockdown has been less severe, but that’s largely down to government design too - they’ve allowed far more people to work, travel and so on, more shops are open and their mates in the papers feel more emboldened to demand things that will kill people again.

I was waiting for this.

How is it 'victim blaming' to point out that we're country full of irresponsible nobends?

 

[grandjoeblue]

I was waiting for this.

How is it 'victim blaming' to point out that we're country full of irresponsible nobends?

Everywhere is the same though.

Its completely unnatural for humans to be locked inside their own homes. Over time people will take advantage.

 

[SussexToffee]

Just an amendment on this, 172 additional deaths were added retrospectively to the 28 day cut off total, making the new total as 487. This is now 144 up, not 28 down on the Tuesday figure and 65 up, not 127 down on last Wednesday. This meant the 7 day rolling average rose to 290.86

The 60 day cut off figure came out as 685, up 122 on Tuesday and up 53 on last Wednesday. That 7 day rolling average rose to 435.86

UKHSA data dashboard

Showing public health data across England

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

Looks like they haven’t been added onto the seven day totals on the Government dashboard, nor yesterday’s figure. Possibly because they all occurred more than seven days ago, but will have been added onto the overall total.

 

[Charro]

Infections are staying stubbornly high after 2 months of lockdown.

They will spike up even more when the schools return. That is no situation to be in.

But deaths will be down as the most vulnerable are now protected.

 

[Billy Dean]

Tbh I think the real problem with the EU program originated from the moment Macron rubbished the Astra Zeneca jab for the over 65s when the peer reviewed science said no such thing. There was a lack of trial data but the overwhelming likelihood was always that it would still be hugely beneficial, a weaker immune reaction is expected, but worse scenario was that it wouldn't fall off a cliff and be useless, as he all but implied.

The technical issues they now face with storing unused AZ vaccines combined with the normal logistical problems of having enough extreme cold temperature storage facilities for the Pfizer tells a predictable story. Combine this with the comfort he gave to the head the ball anti vaxers and the increase in vaccine scepticism across France and now Europe, and you have your cocktail for the new mutant variants to thrive.

The South African and Brazilian variants are even more dangerous than the Kent variant, and levels of the Brazilian and South African ones are now reaching dangerous tipping points of 10% of all infections across 10 of their regions, and up to 50% in one or two.

Top scientists in Germany and Italy have called for a complete rethink of strategy, widespread vaccination of the vulnerable groups with all available jabs and a stretching of the gap between first and second doses is urgently being looked at. France has Macron to contend with.

Agreed Macron's comments were stupid and probably did some damage, as well as the Handelsblatt leak before that and also Frank Montgomery's comments. But that article suggests all that might be overblown and the real problem is more a logistical one. I don't really know what's going on in France but in Germany there is a lot of criticism going around that the regions and the national government are simply not well enough organised to get people vaccinated. Seems the public sector is drowning in its own bureaucracy. There have been arguments about which under 65s should get the AZ vax and in the meantime it seems hardly anyone is getting it lol They've had about 6 weeks since the STIKO ruling to figure that out. Apparently teachers and other child supervisors have been bumped up the order but still there seems to be not much moving on that front. A bit hard to see what's really going on. Also some regions are hoarding 50% of their doses in fear that deliveries dry up again and those that have their first dose can't then get their second. There have been people turning their noses up at the AZ vax but as that article suggests it may be overblown. I think the German health minister agreed yesterday that doses could be spaced out, but let's see how quickly that actually gets implemented, if at all.

May be controversial opinion here.. but as much as the government has fluffed it's way through the pandemic with it's constant mixed-messages (particularly early on) I don't think the British people have necessarily covered themselves in glory either..

The first lockdown, overall, was a success and I genuinely think that was carried mainly by the 'scare factor' of the virus being new & relatively unknown to us. The problem has been that by the end of last summer people simply got fed up of restrictions and it's been a bit of a s**t show since. I can't believe how much busier it's gotten out and about considering we're still actually meant to be in a 'full national lockdown'...

The likes of Whitty, Van Tam et al can say 'it isn't over' and 'continue to stay indoors' as much as they want but by this point it's largely falling on deaf ears. Patience has worn out and common sense has been thrown out the window. There are people out there who've stopped social distancing and wearing masks now for christ sake!

I think you could say that about most Western populations mate not just the UK. We've all grown up an individualistic culture whereas eastern Asian countries are more culturally predisposed to act in the common good.