Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[maccavennie]

The latest possible symptoms are now so wide, everyone has had one of them this winter. A headache ffs?? Come on.

Was told by someone who knows, that unless you have one of the classic 3, a test isnt suggested. That was 2 weeks ago mind, so might have changed.

Only 2 weeks ago I think the echo posted ( someone who works in Liverpool within the health department) to be tested if you had stomach cramps, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea etc.

6 weeks previous when I was in hospital with it and these were my main symptoms (with temp then the issues with breathing last) to start with the nurses were saying most people were coming in with these symptoms and the cough was becoming less of a symptom that people had.

I found it quite strange that it took so long to post the new symptoms associated tbh but then I guess if at the start all these symptoms were associated with covid, everyone would be off work and isolating so it's almost easier just to say if you have a temp, cough or loss of taste/smell that's covid.

I don't know about anyone else but the nausea I had was horrific and seemed to heighten my sense of smell and taste!!!

 

[Wizard]

Only 2 weeks ago I think the echo posted ( someone who works in Liverpool within the health department) to be tested if you had stomach cramps, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea etc.

6 weeks previous when I was in hospital with it and these were my main symptoms (with temp then the issues with breathing last) to start with the nurses were saying most people were coming in with these symptoms and the cough was becoming less of a symptom that people had.

I found it quite strange that it took so long to post the new symptoms associated tbh but then I guess if at the start all these symptoms were associated with covid, everyone would be off work and isolating so it's almost easier just to say if you have a temp, cough or loss of taste/smell that's covid.

I don't know about anyone else but the nausea I had was horrific and seemed to heighten my sense of smell and taste!!!

One of my mates has been being incredibly cautious throughout this as his girlfriend's dad is quite old and also has underlying problems with his chest so they were terrified of him getting it understandably. He did eventually catch it but it luckily didn't really attack his lungs at all but played havoc with his stomach. Thankfully after a short spell in hospital he has recovered. Such a strange virus

 

[maccavennie]

One of my mates has been being incredibly cautious throughout this as his girlfriend's dad is quite old and also has underlying problems with his chest so they were terrified of him getting it understandably. He did eventually catch it but it luckily didn't really attack his lungs at all but played havoc with his stomach. Thankfully after a short spell in hospital he has recovered. Such a strange virus

It's absolutely bizarre mate. I honestly didn't realise how bad my breathing had got until it became apparent that i was barely breathing and needed to go to hospital. Right up until that point, the nausea was just absolutely mullering me. I couldn't sleep, I couldn't eat, I couldn't drink, the temp I could control with tablets but the nothing fix the nausea! I wasn't arsed about the nausea once in hospital like!!

 

[peteblue]

My mum had 'real flu' (or, maybe COVID, who knows) last January. Was properly out for the count. I don't think I've ever had it. I've had a bad bug or two, but never been as bad as she was last year.

Loads of us had it bad early last year.......

 

[peteblue]

Hospital figures - 376 deaths were announced today, down 4 on yesterday and down 234 on last Wednesday. 302 deaths were in English hospitals, down 70 on yesterday and down 220 on last week. The 7 day rolling average falls to 343.43

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 442 deaths were announced today, down 106 on yesterday and down 296 on last Wednesday. The 7 day rolling average falls to an even 402

For the 60 day cut off, 632 deaths were announced today, down 164 on yesterday and down 382 on last Wednesday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 548.29

Apparently the U.K. has done over 84 million tests and at about 1.3M tests per 1M people is second only to Israel in the scale of testing....

 

[Tubey]

That would be (and is in most places) one bit of it Tubey, but again if we just do that then we've let whatever it is spread a lot by the time it reaches that point.

COVID-19 had at least a month, probably more like two months before a hospital picked it up. That is not fast enough, as we've all just found - nor is it how we'd ever run a test and trace system in a pandemic. We need to have a system that can pick it up quicker than that.

Thats why I said "in the future". We'll be picking them up almost instantaneously, because unlike Feb/March 2020 we know what we're looking at now.

It's 12 months later with 12 months of advancements.

 

[peteblue]

Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs.

But surely all the old people were Leave voters, and we’ve all been vaccinated thank you......

 

[mahermi1]

Only 2 weeks ago I think the echo posted ( someone who works in Liverpool within the health department) to be tested if you had stomach cramps, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea etc.

6 weeks previous when I was in hospital with it and these were my main symptoms (with temp then the issues with breathing last) to start with the nurses were saying most people were coming in with these symptoms and the cough was becoming less of a symptom that people had.

I found it quite strange that it took so long to post the new symptoms associated tbh but then I guess if at the start all these symptoms were associated with covid, everyone would be off work and isolating so it's almost easier just to say if you have a temp, cough or loss of taste/smell that's covid.

I don't know about anyone else but the nausea I had was horrific and seemed to heighten my sense of smell and taste!!!

One thing that has stayed with me was the strong smell of smoke, as if your in a room with a load of people smoking, it's really a horrible feeling, that comes and goes.

 

[BlueToff]

There will be a lot of that - people feeling like fools for bothering. The vast majority of the results are going to be for things that they (and we) aren't bothered about; indeed most COVID tests were negative even at the heights of the pandemic.

The same phenomenon happens already now when people phone 999 for an ambulance after seeing a car crash, or phone up the cops about an unattended bag, or call the fire brigade after seeing smoke - most of the time it isn't as bad as they think, and whatever it is cleared up and dealt with by people who know what they are doing and can make a proper assessment.

The important thing though is that they report it - if it is bad, then the people who could do something about it get a chance to do something about it in enough time that it might make a difference. That is all we'd need to do with a test and trace system that was working all the time (which it needs to be to be effective), get people in the habit of using it and then when this happens again we might have a chance to stop it.

Okay, I get that. But, unless it takes much sooner than one or two days, then it's still going to be a major inconvenience to people.

And I only use 'inconvenience' for lack of a better term, but at the end of the day, people do what they need to do in the most convenient way possible.

I just use the taking the kids to school because for me it's the most reasonable example of something a parent just 'does' automatically.

 

[maccavennie]

One thing that has stayed with me was the strong smell of smoke, as if your in a room with a load of people smoking, it's really a horrible feeling, that comes and goes.

The night before I went into hospital mate I thought someone was burning rubber upstairs in the house. Not cigarette smoke ( as I'd smoked for years but not for a good 7 years now ), like a strange medical rubber smell. Absolutely done my head in, I was in the bedroom alone and was shouting the missus asking her why is someone burning in the house.

It's only now though my missus is telling me how bad I was. There's about 5/6 days I can't remember properly ( except us beating Rotherham in the fa Cup lol ) and she says I was genuinely fuming that someone was burning rubber and what was she going to do about it.

So strange mate, not ashamed or embarrassed to say how scared I was looking back now and how quickly symptoms evolved and changed.

 

[BlueToff]

That would be (and is in most places) one bit of it Tubey, but again if we just do that then we've let whatever it is spread a lot by the time it reaches that point.

COVID-19 had at least a month, probably more like two months before a hospital picked it up. That is not fast enough, as we've all just found - nor is it how we'd ever run a test and trace system in a pandemic. We need to have a system that can pick it up quicker than that.

Well, there hasn't been a pandemic for a 100 years. So, it's kind of unprecedented.

Other countries with more experience dealt with it better, and Aus and NZ - due to their geographical location - were able to follow the SARS model and isolate/suppress the virus.

 

[mahermi1]

The night before I went into hospital mate I thought someone was burning rubber upstairs in the house. Not cigarette smoke ( as I'd smoked for years but not for a good 7 years now ), like a strange medical rubber smell. Absolutely done my head in, I was in the bedroom alone and was shouting the missus asking her why is someone burning in the house.

It's only now though my missus is telling me how bad I was. There's about 5/6 days I can't remember properly ( except us beating Rotherham in the fa Cup lol ) and she says I was genuinely fuming that someone was burning rubber and what was she going to do about it.

So strange mate, not ashamed or embarrassed to say how scared I was looking back now and how quickly symptoms evolved and changed.

Our symptoms were just bad headaches, that never seemed to go, heavy coughing and hardly any appetite. Nowhere near yours, but there was a feeling of fear, fear that anyone of us could get worse, we were constantly watching each other. Oh and my son, haha, ( he's 26) , he had it to, was constantly at us to open the Windows, he was right like, but being over Christmas, it was bloody freezing ! My daughter had bought me a housecoat, with a big collar which I never had off and I thought I looked like Dell boy in it. lol

 

[maccavennie]

Our symptoms were just bad headaches, that never seemed to go, heavy coughing and hardly any appetite. Nowhere near yours, but there was a feeling of fear, fear that anyone of us could get worse, we were constantly watching each other. Oh and my son, haha, ( he's 26) , he had it to, was constantly at us to open the Windows, he was right like, but being over Christmas, it was bloody freezing ! My daughter had bought me a housecoat, with a big collar which I never had off and I thought I looked like Dell boy in it. lol

First time I've ever been bought slippers is because of all this mate lol

I've been back in work now for a couple of weeks and the first thing I do is stick them on when I come home, to try and trick the mind to take it easy and to rest lol

 

[tsubaki]

Thats why I said "in the future". We'll be picking them up almost instantaneously, because unlike Feb/March 2020 we know what we're looking at now.

It's 12 months later with 12 months of advancements.

Tubey we won’t be picking things up almost instantaneously under that proposal - with this, people had to get ill enough to require hospital admission. That was days after they’d been infected.

That meant it had probably by that point infected rather more people, who’d had the opportunity to infect others, as had the people who’d been ill but not badly enough to be admitted.

The biggest problem with just doing this on hospital admissions though is that doesn’t negate the requirement for testing, tracing and isolation, it just makes it more difficult.

If you pick a new virus up by a hospital admission that poses a threat, then you still have to chase down where it came from - but it’s days after the infection, and given you’ve based your system on hospital admissions who are you going to get to do the tracing, isolations etc anyway?

 

[Neiler]

Some interesting data from the UK, risk of death in over 80s more than halved 14 days after first Pfizer shot. 90% decrease in cases 7 days after second shot.

In a way it’s not telling us anything we don’t know, your still on the ropes at one dose with a 50% decrease, but really two doses in the gold standard of protection.