Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[summerisle]

Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs.

 

[BlueToff]

It’s also a charter for piss takers and head workers.

I’m pretty sure everyone on here has worked with at least one person, who went sick at the drop of a hat and knew how to work the system inside out.

My missus works with a girl, who since April 1st last year, has been in work for less than 50% of the days should’ve been in.

That includes 5mths, 3wks and 4 days with stress - half pay kicks in at 6mths.

Other stuff including, panic attacks, a trapped nerve, chest infections, regular stuff like D&V etc

Three periods of self isolation waiting on Covid tests and she’s currently off at the mo with a “ bad back - unlikely to be back in work until she reaches 5mths 3wks and 4 days again.

Most periods of the minor periods of sickness coinciding with school holidays, weekends and Christmas.

Most workplaces I’ve worked in too, have someone like this, how do you legislate for them ?

I do think one thing that COVID has proved is that a lot of people can work from home with just as much productivity. So if it's an office environment, or you can work from home etc, then I think it's much easier.

My main issue with it is just for most other jobs, and also how - like you say - it leaves other people totally in the crap.

I just can't imagine a mum or dad waking up and feeling crap, but not taking their kids to school on a morning, for example, but instead waiting up to an hour for somebody to come round and explain why they have to isolate for the next 1-2 days.

The amount of times we'll all have woken up just feeling a bit crap, but then you have a lemsip or painkillers and you're fine. It's just life.

If our way of life had caused COVID, I'd understand the push for big change more. But it didn't. It allowed the spread, and that was obviously combined with government mistakes too, but the real issue was the fact that this virus came about in the first place...

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs.

I can't understand the possible use such a study could bring?

We know the groups who are behind on take-up of the vaccine for various different reasons and we can try to remedy these by changing the way we distribute the vaccine, the places where it's given etc?

You can't do the same by asking people their opinions and the way they vote as 7% more people from various groupings are more likely to take up the invitation to be vaccinated than others from various other groupings - amongst a very limited survey of the thousand or so asked.

The conclusions seem dubious to say the least and the results of little or no use to anybody, what a waste of time and money.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I can't understand the possible use such a study could bring?

We know the groups who are behind on take-up of the vaccine for various different reasons and we can try to remedy these by changing the way we distribute the vaccine, the places where it's given etc?

You can't do the same by asking people their opinions and the way they vote as 7% more people from various groupings are more likely to take up the invitation to be vaccinated than others from various other groupings - amongst a very limited survey of the thousand or so asked.

The conclusions seem dubious to say the least and the results of little or no use to anybody, what a waste of time and money.

Money for old rope - like saying Samsung users are less likely to vaccinate than Iphone users.

 

[roydo]

I do think one thing that COVID has proved is that a lot of people can work from home with just as much productivity. So if it's an office environment, or you can work from home etc, then I think it's much easier.

My main issue with it is just for most other jobs, and also how - like you say - it leaves other people totally in the crap.

I just can't imagine a mum or dad waking up and feeling crap, but not taking their kids to school on a morning, for example, but instead waiting up to an hour for somebody to come round and explain why they have to isolate for the next 1-2 days.

The amount of times we'll all have woken up just feeling a bit crap, but then you have a lemsip or painkillers and you're fine. It's just life.

If our way of life had caused COVID, I'd understand the push for big change more. But it didn't. It allowed the spread, and that was obviously combined with government mistakes too, but the real issue was the fact that this virus came about in the first place...

Given a fair wind, yeah, I know, over the next 6 months, and into next year, the vax developments should, (crosses fingers), make this thing similar, but more wider, as how the NHS deal with the annual flu.

Think it was @Tubey , but might have been @tsubaki who posted an all too familier graph thing from 1918, in a vax free world.

 

[toffee82]

Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs.

Them vaccines are foreign muck though aren't they?

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Money for old rope - like saying Samsung users are less likely to vaccinate than Iphone users.

Exactly I just think it's a case of we spent 'X' amount of money on this ridiculous survey that shows nothing at all of any significance, so let's at least try and get some sort of headline out if it to sell the radio show.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Them vaccines are foreign muck though aren't they?

They're desperate, nothing came out of the survey so they've tried to extract anything - it's worthless except to try and hype a radio show

 

[Alan Whittle]

Them vaccines are foreign muck though aren't they?

Made by those know all “experts”

 

[tsubaki]

Sorry mate but you honestly live in fantasy land.

People said the same thing this Winter, if people have a sniffle they should stay at home, its total bolloxs.

My missus was actually bullied last time she had a sniffle and went to work, despite her getting tested regularly, I mean somebody like my missus seems to get a cold or something every single week, what you suggest means she probably would have worked about a week in the last 12months and at this point we would be living in a tent.

So its not inconvenience to get stay at home every time you have a sniffle, its downright damaging.

This would be a fantastic response if that is what I'd said, goat.

If people have symptoms of a flu, or of COVID (or of something else potentially risky and infectious) they ring up and get a test. The test comes back in a couple of days, if its no threat then they go back to work. If it is a threat, then measures are put in place to try and contain it. This was not "feel a sniffle and stay home", at all.

It’s also a charter for piss takers and head workers.

I’m pretty sure everyone on here has worked with at least one person, who went sick at the drop of a hat and knew how to work the system inside out.

My missus works with a girl, who since April 1st last year, has been in work for less than 50% of the days should’ve been in.

That includes 5mths, 3wks and 4 days with stress - half pay kicks in at 6mths.

Other stuff including, panic attacks, a trapped nerve, chest infections, regular stuff like D&V etc

Three periods of self isolation waiting on Covid tests and she’s currently off at the mo with a “ bad back - unlikely to be back in work until she reaches 5mths 3wks and 4 days again.

Most periods of the minor periods of sickness coinciding with school holidays, weekends and Christmas.

Most workplaces I’ve worked in too, have someone like this, how do you legislate for them ?

This is an attack on the system that we have now, though - not the one I am proposing.

If people did that with this, they'd have someone come around to their house and test them. The test would come back in a day or two and confirm whether or not they have something, and what the recommendation was. If they were taking the piss - either by doing it repeatedly or staying off when they'd been confirmed as not ill - there would be a clear record of it available.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Samsung users are less likely to vaccinate than Iphone users.

It’s a lie! I’ve got a Samsung and I’ve had the jab. There’s PROOF!

 

[tsubaki]

I just don't know where the lines is, is all.

How do you strike that balance that covers everybody or the potential outcomes?

Is this really how they do it in the SE Asian/Far Eastern nations?

It will be difficult, but I think in that sort of system you've got to set it low enough so that there is as much chance of picking something up early as possible, but not so low as its "I feel down today, best I ring up".

This isn't how they do it in SE Asia (over there its a lot more intrusive), but its one I think we as a country would be most likely to be able to live with and understand.

 

[Goat]

This would be a fantastic response if that is what I'd said, goat.

If people have symptoms of a flu, or of COVID (or of something else potentially risky and infectious) they ring up and get a test. The test comes back in a couple of days, if its no threat then they go back to work. If it is a threat, then measures are put in place to try and contain it. This was not "feel a sniffle and stay home", at all.



This is an attack on the system that we have now, though - not the one I am proposing.

If people did that with this, they'd have someone come around to their house and test them. The test would come back in a day or two and confirm whether or not they have something, and what the recommendation was. If they were taking the piss - either by doing it repeatedly or staying off when they'd been confirmed as not ill - there would be a clear record of it available.

What are the symptoms of Covid?

My daughter didn't have any of them when she tested positive, there arent universal covid symptoms, cos most of them are similar to most illnesses.

Maybe I was being obtuse with the sniffles usage, but I do understand your method and its totally unworkable and would be exploited by anybody who fancied a few days off work.

 

[tsubaki]

What are the symptoms of Covid?

My daughter didn't have any of them when she tested positive, there arent universal covid symptoms, cos most of them are similar to most illnesses.

There are loads of them, with the three classic ones being high temperature, continual coughing and loss of taste or smell. I only had two of those (and then only in short periods), my main ones were difficulty in breathing, fatigue and nausea.

Having a relatively low bar for people to report symptoms at makes it much more likely they'll report things, which (with an effective system) makes it much more likely we would pick things up early enough to do something about them. If that means stopping an illness from spreading in a workplace, or school, surely that is going to (in overall terms) reduce sickness there?

 

[Goat]

There are loads of them, with the three classic ones being high temperature, continual coughing and loss of taste or smell. I only had two of those (and then only in short periods), my main ones were difficulty in breathing, fatigue and nausea.

Having a relatively low bar for people to report symptoms at makes it much more likely they'll report things, which (with an effective system) makes it much more likely we would pick things up early enough to do something about them. If that means stopping an illness from spreading in a workplace, or school, surely that is going to (in overall terms) reduce sickness there?

Ok, just so there's no confusion.

You propose that if somebody wakes up and feels a bit rough they stay at home, everybody in the house stays at home, they then ring a hotline, who come out and test the household, then they wait for their results, if they test positive they all isolate, if negative they can go about their lives.

Do I have that right?

And the Government pays everybody to stay at home, plus the bat-signal testing people?

And you think that has any sense of realism?