Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[roydo]

Ok, just so there's no confusion.

You propose that if somebody wakes up and feels a bit rough they stay at home, everybody in the house stays at home, they then ring a hotline, who come out and test the household, then they wait for their results, if they test positive they all isolate, if negative they can go about their lives.

Do I have that right?

And the Government pays everybody to stay at home, plus the bat-signal testing people?

And you think that has any sense of realism?

The latest possible symptoms are now so wide, everyone has had one of them this winter. A headache ffs?? Come on.

Was told by someone who knows, that unless you have one of the classic 3, a test isnt suggested. That was 2 weeks ago mind, so might have changed.

 

[Tubey]

Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs.

Theres a clear intelligence gap between Brevity voters and remainers, and that will cross over to vaccine hesitancy.

In short, the more stupid you are, the more likely you are to do stupid things.

 

[Goat]

The latest possible symptoms are now so wide, everyone has had one of them this winter. A headache ffs?? Come on.

Was told by someone who knows, that unless you have one of the classic 3, a test isnt suggested. That was 2 weeks ago mind, so might have changed.

My daughter was convinced she didn't have it, she had a slight cough, defo not continuous, she felt hot, at times, but defo no real fever, she did feel as tho she had lost her taste a little, but it was short-lived and wasn't a concern. She only got tested cos she was due back at work and wanted to be sure.

Even after her positive test she kept saying there's no way she has it.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

What are the symptoms of Covid?

My daughter didn't have any of them when she tested positive, there arent universal covid symptoms, cos most of them are similar to most illnesses.

Maybe I was being obtuse with the sniffles usage, but I do understand your method and its totally unworkable and would be exploited by anybody who fancied a few days off work.

Most have been answered in other previous posts but it's well known that you can have none at all and still have it.

Asymptomatic patients are usually more frequently found in younger people or extremely athletically fit people such as football stars or top athletes etc.

Children are often asymptomatic and even more so the younger they are.

Approximately one in three adults will have either very minor symptoms or none at all. There are high risk groups which have been highly publicised. Being overweight and a whole gamut of underlying illnesses can exacerbate the problem and cause very serious symptoms with hospitalisation extremely probable.

Age is the single very key factor for everyone, so perhaps the largest determining factor amongst the general population, the elderly being extremely vulnerable.

 

[tsubaki]

Ok, just so there's no confusion.

You propose that if somebody wakes up and feels a bit rough they stay at home, everybody in the house stays at home, they then ring a hotline, who come out and test the household, then they wait for their results, if they test positive they all isolate, if negative they can go about their lives.

Do I have that right?

No. If someone wakes up and feels they've got something worse than the normal cold, they phone up and get someone to come out and test them (and the rest of the household). They all wait for the test results to come back. If those test results indicate something that poses a threat (or something new or unknown) then they isolate. If its not something that poses a threat, then the decision is up to them (so if its just normal flu for instance, they find out its just flu and can then decide what they do with that; if its nothing, they are told its nothing).

This is people taking one or two sick days, when they are sick, and reporting they are sick to the authorities. Their employer should (and would be told to) cover that as they should do any sick day, but for where this isn't possible (self-employed people for example, or gig workers), then yes they should be helped to do that - given that its in the interest of everyone in society that we are able to pick these things up early enough.

If people take the piss with the system then that will show up too - you'll have the same people and/or the same addresses coming up repeatedly. If people lie about having done it, then I'd hope the employer would have some way of confirming whether or not a test has taken place (even if its just ringing up and checking a reference number).

As for whether I think that has any sense of realism - yes, I do. Most people will call 999 if they need help; they'll call 111 or go to the GP / A&E if they need medical help. If that help results in advice to do something, most people will try to do it if they can. People already take sick days from work. We already do most of this, in short - we just need to establish a test, track, trace and isolate system that can work and which people will use.

 

[COYBL25]

What are the symptoms of Covid?

My daughter didn't have any of them when she tested positive, there arent universal covid symptoms, cos most of them are similar to most illnesses.

Maybe I was being obtuse with the sniffles usage, but I do understand your method and its totally unworkable and would be exploited by anybody who fancied a few days off work.

Similar here, my missus and lad had the “ classic “ symptoms, I had nothing but a scratchy chest and no other symptoms.

Did an antibody test a few months later and turns out I’ve had it.

 

[Goat]

No. If someone wakes up and feels they've got something worse than the normal cold, they phone up and get someone to come out and test them (and the rest of the household). They all wait for the test results to come back. If those test results indicate something that poses a threat (or something new or unknown) then they isolate. If its not something that poses a threat, then the decision is up to them (so if its just normal flu for instance, they find out its just flu and can then decide what they do with that; if its nothing, they are told its nothing).

This is people taking one or two sick days, when they are sick, and reporting they are sick to the authorities. Their employer should (and would be told to) cover that as they should do any sick day, but for where this isn't possible (self-employed people for example, or gig workers), then yes they should be helped to do that - given that its in the interest of everyone in society that we are able to pick these things up early enough.

If people take the piss with the system then that will show up too - you'll have the same people and/or the same addresses coming up repeatedly. If people lie about having done it, then I'd hope the employer would have some way of confirming whether or not a test has taken place (even if its just ringing up and checking a reference number).

As for whether I think that has any sense of realism - yes, I do. Most people will call 999 if they need help; they'll call 111 or go to the GP / A&E if they need medical help. If that help results in advice to do something, most people will try to do it if they can. People already take sick days from work. We already do most of this, in short - we just need to establish a test, track, trace and isolate system that can work and which people will use.

My missus gets a lift to work from a young lad.

Hes already faked 1 positive test, which gave him 10 days off work.

A few weeks ago him and my missus had to be tested due to an outbreak in work, this lad spent an hour while waiting for the results begging my missus to fake a positive test so he could have another 10 days off, she of course declined.

People would take the utter piss and the economy would tank.

I get that you are trying to find solutions to prevent further lockdowns and its not a bad idea, but I think you honestly put a lot of faith in your fellow human based on what you would do. The country is rammed full of utter bellends.

 

[COYBL25]

No. If someone wakes up and feels they've got something worse than the normal cold, they phone up and get someone to come out and test them (and the rest of the household). They all wait for the test results to come back. If those test results indicate something that poses a threat (or something new or unknown) then they isolate. If its not something that poses a threat, then the decision is up to them (so if its just normal flu for instance, they find out its just flu and can then decide what they do with that; if its nothing, they are told its nothing).

This is people taking one or two sick days, when they are sick, and reporting they are sick to the authorities. Their employer should (and would be told to) cover that as they should do any sick day, but for where this isn't possible (self-employed people for example, or gig workers), then yes they should be helped to do that - given that its in the interest of everyone in society that we are able to pick these things up early enough.

If people take the piss with the system then that will show up too - you'll have the same people and/or the same addresses coming up repeatedly. If people lie about having done it, then I'd hope the employer would have some way of confirming whether or not a test has taken place (even if its just ringing up and checking a reference number).

As for whether I think that has any sense of realism - yes, I do. Most people will call 999 if they need help; they'll call 111 or go to the GP / A&E if they need medical help. If that help results in advice to do something, most people will try to do it if they can. People already take sick days from work. We already do most of this, in short - we just need to establish a test, track, trace and isolate system that can work and which people will use.

The big problem with that, is that the whole country is that paro about the virus, there’s no such thing as a normal cold anymore.

Everyone goes straight to the inter web, where the symptoms of a cold exactly mirror many of the symptoms of the virus.

How many people do you know who have had a cold this year, as I don’t know anyone ?

 

[tsubaki]

My missus gets a lift to work from a young lad.

Hes already faked 1 positive test, which gave him 10 days off work.

A few weeks ago him and my missus had to be tested due to an outbreak in work, this lad spent an hour while waiting for the results begging my missus to fake a positive test so he could have another 10 days off, she of course declined.

People would take the utter piss and the economy would tank.

I get that you are trying to find solutions to prevent further lockdowns and its not a bad idea, but I think you honestly put a lot of faith in your fellow human based on what you would do. The country is rammed full of utter bellends.

As I said to @COYBL25 - this is a criticism of what we have now, not what we'd have if we had effective track and trace.

If you asked for a test, you'd have a couple of days off work rather than ten (unless you genuinely did have something serious), you'd be able to tell what the result was rather than be able to fake it and we'd probably end up with less sickness in work overall, so the economy would be better off.

The big problem with that, is that the whole country is that paro about the virus, there’s no such thing as a normal cold anymore.

Everyone goes straight to the inter web, where the symptoms of a cold exactly mirror many of the symptoms of the virus.

How many people do you know who have had a cold this year, as I don’t know anyone ?

Neither do I - but surely if there is lack of cold (and flu, as @GrandOldTeam mentioned in a post a few pages ago) should show everyone how, albeit in extreme circumstances, it is actually possible to interrupt these sorts of seasonal diseases that we've accepted as "just one of those things" (which kills thousands a year). I'm not suggesting we lock down again (I'd hope having this would prevent us having to lock down things ever again) but we could have a go at doing something to interrupt diseases and reduce the harm caused.

 

[Goat]

As I said to @COYBL25 - this is a criticism of what we have now, not what we'd have if we had effective track and trace.

If you asked for a test, you'd have a couple of days off work rather than ten (unless you genuinely did have something serious), you'd be able to tell what the result was rather than be able to fake it and we'd probably end up with less sickness in work overall, so the economy would be better off.



Neither do I - but surely if there is lack of cold (and flu, as @GrandOldTeam mentioned in a post a few pages ago) should show everyone how, albeit in extreme circumstances, it is actually possible to interrupt these sorts of seasonal diseases that we've accepted as "just one of those things" (which kills thousands a year). I'm not suggesting we lock down again (I'd hope having this would prevent us having to lock down things ever again) but we could have a go at doing something to interrupt diseases and reduce the harm caused.

But why cant they just open the testing centres again, rather than do what you propose?

My missus got tested a few times and she didn't have to wait 2 days, an hour, in and out, results.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

People also think a cold is flu, it isn't - nothing like.

Flu is debilitating and knocks you for six. Often patients are extremely weak and listless and can do little more than stay in bed. Flu often lasts weeks before you're properly over it and can be a killer for many.

There are always a lot of symptoms common to numerous different conditions and you do get patients scared of getting a particular condition inclined to too readily think any symptoms confirm their worst fears.

This is as much true of say an ex cancer patient who is always looking for the first sign of a relapse or return as it is for anyone now. Now some, exposed to all the publicity on Covid, think everything that matches a 'possible' symptom means he or she will die of it in a week or two.

Important to note this is just human nature, there are still the same percentage of colds and flu germs circulating, albeit a higher number of people inoculated against flu. What is different is these symptoms now cause alarm whereas before they wouldn't.

Remember some symptoms are common to so many conditions that having that symptom is hardly indicative of anything. What is possibly more indicative are those very, very few and rare ones that are really only found in a single condition or even only a few conditions.

 

[Goat]

People also think a cold is flu, it isn't - nothing like.

Flu is debilitating and knocks you for six. Often patients are extremely weak and listless and can do little more than stay in bed. Flu often lasts weeks before you're properly over it and can be a killer for many.

There are always a lot of symptoms common to numerous different conditions and you do get patients scared of getting a particular condition inclined to too readily think any symptoms confirm their worst fears.

This is as much true of say an ex cancer patient who is always looking for the first sign of a relapse or return as it is for anyone now. Now some, exposed to all the publicity on Covid, think everything that matches a 'possible' symptom means he or she will die of it in a week or two.

Important to note this is just human nature, there are still the same percentage of colds and flu germs circulating, albeit a higher number of people inoculated against flu. What is different is these symptoms now cause alarm whereas before they wouldn't.

Remember some symptoms are common to so many conditions that having that symptom is hardly indicative of anything. What is possibly more indicative are those very, very few and rare ones that are really only found in a single condition or even only a few conditions.

The amount of times the kids used to say "I've got the flu" when they had a runny nose, used to wind me up, if you had the flu, you wouldn't be standing there moaning about the flu.

 

[arminisgod]

The amount of times the kids used to say "I've got the flu" when they had a runny nose, used to wind me up, if you had the flu, you wouldn't be standing there moaning about the flu.

Nothing prepared me for how bad Flu made me feel. I honestly struggled to get out of bed, sat in a scolding bath at 7am shivering...

I was working a trade show so stuck in a hotel. It was horrendous took me about 3 weeks to get over it

 

[tsubaki]

But why cant they just open the testing centres again, rather than do what you propose?

My missus got tested a few times and she didn't have to wait 2 days, an hour, in and out, results.

Because the testing centres were only doing COVID tests, you'd have to keep them open all the time, and just going to them pretty much defeats the object of telling people to isolate if they think they've got something.

If you are going to have a system that can pick up unknown things (and identify more than one disease) quickly enough, it probably means home visits and lab tests are required (though if its suspected that someone has something for which a quicker test does exist, theres no reason why that test couldn't be used there and then).

More importantly though, this is about making sure we have a system that can do that - just by doing this sort of work, we'd know that the chances are it would pick something up if it got here.

 

[Goat]

Nothing prepared me for how bad Flu made me feel. I honestly struggled to get out of bed, sat in a scolding bath at 7am shivering...

I was working a trade show so stuck in a hotel. It was horrendous took me about 3 weeks to get over it

Yeah, when I hear people describe how they felt, I honestly don't think I've ever had the real flu personally.

Ive had some pretty nasty colds, but nothing that destroyed me like people who talk about the flu had.