Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueStevie35]

What's this talk about a 'scuccess story' on the vaccine roll out?

One jab is not a success.

We are miles behind other countries in terms of the two jab regime being completed.

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The success is meeting the target of 15 million having a first or both jabs by this month, the next targets are getting to 5 million fully vaccinated and 20-25 million overall

 

[peteblue]

There you go @tsubaki , @davek agrees with you and says we are miles behind. So now you know you are wrong......

 

[tsubaki]

OK have it your way, it’s all political, not one medical or scientific professional agrees with this but they are saying nothing because...well just because they are timid folk who all support the conservatives.

Meanwhile we carry on making a complete dogs breakfast of this by only giving out over 15,000,000 jabs.

If this was being done by the EU you’d be all over these pages telling us what a wonderful job they are doing. Actually France has done slightly more 2nd jabs than the U.K. and are claiming that they are beating us (although only 3M jabs Vs 15M jabs), so you have your proof......

Sadly, but not surprisingly, you are arguing with an imaginary stereotype again.

I’ve been confident about the vaccination programme since before it started, and have said so on here.

My objection to it has been this last minute change (the Pfizer 12 week delay) in it, where that change came from, what protection medical staff and patients have (legally and morally, in terms of being them using medication in ways that the manufacturer doesn’t approve of and which may not be in the approval our regulatory system gave) and what the evidence supporting that change was. That’s it.

 

[Brennan]

By the first week of May we will have 15% of the population vaccinated with two doses. By the second week of June we will be up to 23% with two doses, with millions more having one jab.

There will be very few nations (if any) in Western Europe that will have hit those sort of numbers by the summer.

You can argue that the strategy now is the wrong one, but by the summer the UK will be in a much stronger position on either metric, two dose or single dose, due to the speed of the rollout versus other nations.

Denmark are vaccinating relatively quickly compared to most other European nations, but even they have only administered 6 doses per 100,000 people. We are at nearly four times that.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

yes, you did:




our approach is to give up to twelve weeks gap between Pfizer doses, something which is not supported by any research whatsoever, or at least any that’s been published. When called on it you’re now trying to say one dose of it works?

I know its not one trend to post media scare stories. But its well documented and reported. We are in the realms of Brexit bravado now with UK vaccine program.

COVID-19: Delaying second dose of Pfizer jab may leave elderly at risk of catching South African variant, study suggests

Lab tests showed that one dose of the vaccine may not stimulate the immune system to produce enough antibodies to kill the virus.

news.sky.com

What's this talk about a 'scuccess story' on the vaccine roll out?

One jab is not a success.

We are miles behind other countries in terms of the two jab regime being completed.

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We are below France a known anti vaccine nation (for good historical reason), and bleedin EU Ayatollahs. Stealing our women and now our vaccines. Love a comparable league table me...

 

[tsubaki]

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There are lots of variables which cannot be controlled such as people's cavalier attitude as soon as they have had the jab. The assumption is that protection will not fall off a cliff on day 22. Pfizer won't back it as they did not trial that spacing and don't want any chances of lawsuits.

Our strategy of spreading out the doses is a calculated gamble.

Those calling for us not to is just as big a gamble if not worse.

Assume we have done about 16 million jabs (adding doses 1 and 2). If we had purely focused on giving both doses at the three week interval, there would be just over 8 million double dosed.

Which 7 million are you going to take away some protection from?

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There are lots of variables which cannot be controlled such as people's cavalier attitude as soon as they have had the jab. The assumption is that protection will not fall off a cliff on day 22. Pfizer won't back it as they did not trial that spacing and don't want any chances of lawsuits.

Our strategy of spreading out the doses is a calculated gamble.

Those calling for us not to is just as big a gamble if not worse.

Assume we have done about 16 million jabs (adding doses 1 and 2). If we had purely focused on giving both doses at the three week interval, there would be just over 8 million double dosed.

Which 7 million are you going to take away some protection from?

The answer is that it’s safer to do that now, whilst there is a national lockdown on, and the impact of that can prevent infection as well (or better) than the vaccine does. This does after all follow the guidance for the Pfizer vaccine as well.

Otherwise, if this doesn’t work, we might find ourselves going into April, starting to open up again with millions of people whose first dose of Pfizer might no longer protect them sufficiently.

There could easily be a spike in reinfections and we might just have effectively wasted two to five million Pfizer doses.

 

[COYBL25]

By the first week of May we will have 15% of the population vaccinated with two doses. By the second week of June we will be up to 23% with two doses, with millions more having one jab.

There will be very few nations (if any) in Western Europe that will have hit those sort of numbers by the summer.

You can argue that the strategy now is the wrong one, but by the summer the UK will be in a much stronger position on either metric, two dose or single dose, due to the speed of the rollout versus other nations.

Denmark are vaccinating relatively quickly compared to most other European nations, but even they have only administered 6 doses per 100,000 people. We are at nearly four times that.

Gnats piss though, so doesn`t count.

 

[grandjoeblue]

yes, you did:




our approach is to give up to twelve weeks gap between Pfizer doses, something which is not supported by any research whatsoever, or at least any that’s been published. When called on it you’re now trying to say one dose of it works?

One dose certainly does work - various sources state 1 dose is better than zero vaccination.

The UK will be above all european nations in no time by everyo metric when the second doses commence in late March anyway.

 

[Kurt.]

Got tested again yesterday morning at 10.30am
Results came back negative 30 mins ago.

OPEN UP A PUB FOR ME !!!!!!

 

[tsubaki]

One dose certainly does work - various sources state 1 dose is better than zero vaccination.

The UK will be above all european nations in no time by everyo metric when the second doses commence in late March anyway.

Well, I think the way you are skirting around the point kind of illustrates that you at least acknowledge the problem.

Everyone knows one Pfizer dose gives a degree of protection against the virus; the issue is that we don’t know how long that protection lasts, we’ve been told by the manufacturer they don’t know either, no other country is doing what we are and yet we are using millions of people in an at best an experiment to find out if it works and at worst boosting the first vaccine numbers for political purposes, so that pete has something positive to post about.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Well, I think the way you are skirting around the point kind of illustrates that you at least acknowledge the problem.

Everyone knows one Pfizer dose gives a degree of protection against the virus; the issue is that we don’t know how long that protection lasts, we’ve been told by the manufacturer they don’t know either, no other country is doing what we are and yet we are using millions of people in an at best an experiment to find out if it works and at worst boosting the first vaccine numbers for political purposes, so that pete has something positive to post about.

It takes weeks for the vaccine to work. No vaccine that has ever been developed stops working in 90 days.

Also if we had focused on doing 2 doses we'd definitely be above every other country in europe by that metric so I can't see how its political point scoring.

 

[tsubaki]

It takes weeks for the vaccine to work. No vaccine that has ever been developed stops working in 90 days.

Also if we had focused on doing 2 doses we'd definitely be above every other country in europe by that metric so I can't see how its political point scoring.

for point one, the CEO of the firm responsible for the vaccine says something different to you:

COVID-19: Vaccine doses shouldn't be more than six weeks apart, scientist behind Pfizer-BioNTech jab says

Professor Ugur Sahin says the UK should provide evidence to back up its vaccination strategy.

news.sky.com

for your second point, that’s the absurd nature of this debate - we’d have a genuinely world leading vaccination programme if only we’d followed the instructions, yet somehow saying we should have done that (as we planned to, btw) is making political points?

 

[Neiler]

What's this talk about a 'scuccess story' on the vaccine roll out?

One jab is not a success.

We are miles behind other countries in terms of the two jab regime being completed.

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We're at A) 1.84% at two doses and at B) 3.6% of the first dose, we're running the two dose strategy, with the Mrna's three weeks apart, so obviously B) is going to feed A).

Todays our first day seriously rolling out AZ, we're not giving it to over 70s.

I think we're doing grand, given we started a month behind and have only had two vaccines really up to today.

If what I'm hearing is right, everywhere will be awash with vaccines from the start of March onward and all this vaccine nationalism will be a very spring thing like PPE this time last year. Every western country is going to be grand, we will all be sending on surplus's to the developing world after Q2.

 

[tsubaki]

By the first week of May we will have 15% of the population vaccinated with two doses. By the second week of June we will be up to 23% with two doses, with millions more having one jab.

There will be very few nations (if any) in Western Europe that will have hit those sort of numbers by the summer.

You can argue that the strategy now is the wrong one, but by the summer the UK will be in a much stronger position on either metric, two dose or single dose, due to the speed of the rollout versus other nations.

Denmark are vaccinating relatively quickly compared to most other European nations, but even they have only administered 6 doses per 100,000 people. We are at nearly four times that.

Brennan by May (and certainly summer) we’d be at those levels anyway, except we’d have it properly.

 

[grandjoeblue]

for point one, the CEO of the firm responsible for the vaccine says something different to you:

COVID-19: Vaccine doses shouldn't be more than six weeks apart, scientist behind Pfizer-BioNTech jab says

Professor Ugur Sahin says the UK should provide evidence to back up its vaccination strategy.

news.sky.com

for your second point, that’s the absurd nature of this debate - we’d have a genuinely world leading vaccination programme if only we’d followed the instructions, yet somehow saying we should have done that (as we planned to, btw) is making political points?

That article just states what we all already know? They've took a calculated risk to save the maximum number of lives. In an ideal world we'd be sticking to the 21 days but hundreds are dying daily and lives need to be saved.