Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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thanks for that - I got bored trying to point out how many we could have had fully vaccinated (we'd be second, by a long way)

The NHS are doing a terrific job, I’m delighted they have been given the opportunity to shine with the vaccine rollout, I know there is huge political capital in vaccine roll out, but it’s the one piece of the management of this the UK has nailed and I think that is down to the NHS. They deserve huge credit.

You can do a quick calculation really, 15 million doses divided by 2, as a percentage of the UK population, - somewhere just north or South of 10% I think, if they went the two dose route. Comfortably second.

There was an interesting piece in the guardian I saw around the speed of vaccine purchasing and negotiation. Apparently deals were done between governments and big pharma to waiving civil liability by big pharma with the governments who have rolled out early. I wouldn’t be to concerned about it, but interesting on rights and civil liberties none the less.

Brexit Britain's victory over the EU on Covid vaccination is not what it seems | Jean Quatremer

The bloc’s joint vaccines strategy – far from being a fiasco – is delivering a better outcome than the UK’s, says Jean Quatremer, Brussels correspondent of Libération

www.theguardian.com

 

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94% drop in symptomatic COVID cases among Israel's vaccinated - study | The Jerusalem Post

Data showed 94% fewer symptomatic coronavirus cases and 92% fewer cases of serious illness among those vaccinated.

www.jpost.com

The Pfizer vaccine not only prevents infection but also reduces the risk of contracting a serious case of COVID-19, new data released Sunday by Clalit Health Services shows.

The data, which was based on a study of 1,200,000 people – 600,000 who received the vaccine and 600,000 who did not – showed 94% fewer symptomatic coronavirus cases and 92% fewer cases of serious illness among those who were vaccinated.

The study showed that the vaccine was equally as effective among people 70 and older as it was among younger participants. Among those who were vaccinated, some 170,000 people were over the age of 60.

It was also found that the Pfizer vaccine is most effective one week after the second dose, mirroring the company’s own clinical studies.

In a preliminary examination of the results, after 14 days or more had passed since people received their second dose, the vaccines were found to have even higher efficacy for the prevention of symptomatic and severe disease, said Prof. Ran Balicer, Clalit's chief of innovation.

The control group was carefully adjusted to ensure that it paralleled those who were vaccinated, including based on level of risk for developing a serious infection, health status, age and more, according to Clalit.

Events such as quarantine and changing vaccination guidelines were also accounted for.

Also emerging evidence on Pfizer and transmissibility, even after round 1:

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

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Practical visual of how the COVID vaccines the MRNA’s & AZ work, in 1) inhibiting symptoms if infected and 2) preventing infection.

Top panel shows vaccine preventing impact of symptoms, bottom panel the impact in preventing infection. Pfizer / BioNTech and AstraZeneca likely to achieve both:

 

[Black Belt Jones]

Was reading about this earlier, the evidence is startling and such a simple of method of protection, also fits with the seasonality we are seeing with cases.

That guy (and others) are saying the lancet pre-print on VitD is very flawed (at best) and a pile of bollox (at worst). Although it's not like we all couldn't do with a bit more vitD in Northern Europe.

 

[Wizard]

Worrying but very understandable. This is why it is so important to get community leaders involved in spreading the benefits of having the vaccine.

 

[BlueToff]

Vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate.

Another 5-6 weeks of this current lockdown in the UK will be tough, but time it right, and it will start to be promising.

In the next 2 weeks, we'll see the rate of second doses start to really pick up. That'll be people from just before Xmas/around Xmas getting their second doses, and from then on through March it'll be people from the start of Jan etc etc.

It really is looking brighter.

 

[Blues Harp]

Vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate.

Another 5-6 weeks of this current lockdown in the UK will be tough, but time it right, and it will start to be promising.

In the next 2 weeks, we'll see the rate of second doses start to really pick up. That'll be people from just before Xmas/around Xmas getting their second doses, and from then on through March it'll be people from the start of Jan etc etc.

It really is looking brighter.

Been told to wait 12 weeks mate for my 2nd jab...but Summer...holidays...open up for more deaths? Looking brighter?
Hoping to live till the end of this year.
Death sentence..

 

[BlueToff]

Been told to wait 12 weeks mate for my 2nd jab...but Summer...holidays...open up for more deaths? Looking brighter?
Hoping to live till the end of this year.
Death sentence..

I'm sorry you feel that way. Don't expect me to feel sorry for you that you've had the first jab or that you're having to wait as long as everyone else for your booster.

The evidence suggests you will, from your first jab alone, have the protection to prevent serious illness. But just keep safe and sensible until you get your second. By then, more and more people will be fully vaccinated or have had their first jab.

So yes, things are looking brighter.

 

[Blues Harp]

I'm sorry you feel that way. Don't expect me to feel sorry for you that you've had the first jab or that you're having to wait as long as everyone else for your booster.

The evidence suggests you will, from your first jab alone, have the protection to prevent serious illness. But just keep safe and sensible until you get your second. By then, more and more people will be fully vaccinated or have had their first jab.

So yes, things are looking brighter.

Not looking for sympathy at all
When you get to my age you may realise.
I would have been the same as you at 25.
Made up with being jabbed.. No problems with that.
We cannot just "open up" at Easter.

 

[BlueToff]

Not looking for sympathy at all
When you get to my age you may realise.
I would have been the same as you at 25.
Made up with being jabbed.. No problems with that.
We cannot just "open up" at Easter.

Okay, apologies for the misunderstanding.

I don't think we should just 'open up' at all.

I think there should be a gradual easing. But I wouldn't even start that for at least another month, ideally until after Easter. And even then, very small steps and just take it one step at a time through the spring and summer.

That doesn't mean going back to normal. It means steady steps, and all the while have the vaccine roll out carrying on.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

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Putin’s Once-Scorned Vaccine Now Favorite in Pandemic Fight

President Vladimir Putin’s announcement in August that Russia had cleared the world’s first Covid-19 vaccine for use before it even completed safety trials sparked skepticism worldwide. Now he may reap diplomatic dividends as Russia basks in arguably its biggest scientific breakthrough since the...

www.bloomberg.com

 

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The Risk of Sexual Assault in the Home During a Pandemic

When someone thinks about sexual assault, they often imagine a scene in which a stranger sexually assaults woman in an alley late at night. Although these acts do occur, most sexual assaults are perpetrated by someone the victim knows, including intimate partners, friends, caregivers, or even...

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Putin’s Once-Scorned Vaccine Now Favorite in Pandemic Fight

President Vladimir Putin’s announcement in August that Russia had cleared the world’s first Covid-19 vaccine for use before it even completed safety trials sparked skepticism worldwide. Now he may reap diplomatic dividends as Russia basks in arguably its biggest scientific breakthrough since the...

www.bloomberg.com

Shame the UK hasn't ordered this vaccine. Looks very impressive.

Opening all schools at once at 100% capacity seems a bit much for me. Schools and universities created the second wave of the pandemic.