Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

The 15m have technically been vaccinated though. Once you have had a dose you have some protection which meets the definition of a 'vaccination'.

nope, they haven't. I'm one of the biggest advocates/positive posters in here for the vaccine roll out - I even see the logic in why the UK took the risk with Pfizer even if i wouldn't have done it myself.

But, right now, in the depths of a cold winter and with deaths still high, caution is the best approach. The CMOs have said that when you get your first jab, right now, treat it like you haven't had one. You aren't 'basically vaccinated' - the boosters finish that job and even then we know that that doesn't stop infection.

I'm not being negative, just cautious. The last thing we need now is another spike because if we can get through the next 6 weeks to spring, then we should be able to have a summer of gradual easing back to some form of normality.

 

[Blues Harp]

15m received first dose

But, regardless, that really is some achievement, and met it with a day to spare.

Fair play to all involved - NHS especially.

NHS only and the volunteers, army helpers despite the tory "government" who will claim all the credit.

 

[LinekersLegs]

nope, they haven't. I'm one of the biggest advocates/positive posters in here for the vaccine roll out - I even see the logic in why the UK took the risk with Pfizer even if i wouldn't have done it myself.

But, right now, in the depths of a cold winter and with deaths still high, caution is the best approach. The CMOs have said that when you get your first jab, right now, treat it like you haven't had one. You aren't 'basically vaccinated' - the boosters finish that job and even then we know that that doesn't stop infection.

I'm not being negative, just cautious. The last thing we need now is another spike because if we can get through the next 6 weeks to spring, then we should be able to have a summer of gradual easing back to some form of normality.

Iirc Israel noted an uptick in infections in the first week or so after people had had their first jab, presumably because they just assumed it would work immediately and started more risky behaviors.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Hospital figures - 371 deaths were announced today, down 163 on yesterday and down 122 on last Sunday. 301 deaths were in English hospitals, down 135 on yesterday and down 109 on last week. The 7 day rolling average falls to 514.14

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 258 deaths were announced today, down 363 on yesterday and down 115 on last Sunday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 671.57

For the 60 day cut off, 297 deaths were announced today, down 475 on yesterday and down 113 on last Sunday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 824.43

 

[grandjoeblue]

nope, they haven't. I'm one of the biggest advocates/positive posters in here for the vaccine roll out - I even see the logic in why the UK took the risk with Pfizer even if i wouldn't have done it myself.

But, right now, in the depths of a cold winter and with deaths still high, caution is the best approach. The CMOs have said that when you get your first jab, right now, treat it like you haven't had one. You aren't 'basically vaccinated' - the boosters finish that job and even then we know that that doesn't stop infection.

I'm not being negative, just cautious. The last thing we need now is another spike because if we can get through the next 6 weeks to spring, then we should be able to have a summer of gradual easing back to some form of normality.

I'm not saying they're fully protected but if you read the definition of a vaccination, one dose is definitely still a vaccination.

The first dose doesn't work for about a month I think?

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[grandjoeblue]

Powerful that. Makes you think.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

Despite fears that the variants could prolong the effort to reach herd immunity, experts have cautioned that such reports of reinfection cases like the one in France are not common, indicating that immunity is possible for many. Studies have shown that the body’s virus-fighting cells are able to remember the pathogen from a previous illness and attack, either killing the infection or staving off more severe symptoms.
“I worry especially that some of these premature sweeping conclusions being made could rob people of hope,” Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Georgetown University’s Center for Global Health Science and Security, previously told The Washington Post. “I worry the message they may receive is that we’re never going to be rid of this. When in fact that’s not what the data suggests.”

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

Interesting article

 

[Neiler]

 

[tsubaki]

thanks for that - I got bored trying to point out how many we could have had fully vaccinated (we'd be second, by a long way)

 

[Neiler]

Was reading about this earlier, the evidence is startling and such a simple of method of protection, also fits with the seasonality we are seeing with cases.

 

[LinekersLegs]

94% drop in symptomatic COVID cases among Israel's vaccinated - study | The Jerusalem Post

Data showed 94% fewer symptomatic coronavirus cases and 92% fewer cases of serious illness among those vaccinated.

www.jpost.com

The Pfizer vaccine not only prevents infection but also reduces the risk of contracting a serious case of COVID-19, new data released Sunday by Clalit Health Services shows.

The data, which was based on a study of 1,200,000 people – 600,000 who received the vaccine and 600,000 who did not – showed 94% fewer symptomatic coronavirus cases and 92% fewer cases of serious illness among those who were vaccinated.

The study showed that the vaccine was equally as effective among people 70 and older as it was among younger participants. Among those who were vaccinated, some 170,000 people were over the age of 60.

It was also found that the Pfizer vaccine is most effective one week after the second dose, mirroring the company’s own clinical studies.

In a preliminary examination of the results, after 14 days or more had passed since people received their second dose, the vaccines were found to have even higher efficacy for the prevention of symptomatic and severe disease, said Prof. Ran Balicer, Clalit's chief of innovation.

The control group was carefully adjusted to ensure that it paralleled those who were vaccinated, including based on level of risk for developing a serious infection, health status, age and more, according to Clalit.

Events such as quarantine and changing vaccination guidelines were also accounted for.