Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

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For me, that's an over-abundance of caution. I get the logic, but it's the immunogenicity that's more important than the protective efficacy.

But I do get the logic - it depends on your definition of "effective".

There does seem to be this really weird thing about these vaccines having to be 100% protective, basically making you invincible from this illness etc.

Never going to be the case. As you say, if it stops serious illness, that makes COVID like any other illness, and one that can be managed by the health systems.

But suppose it's better to be safe than sorry. Dunno.

 

[davek]

Ha ha. For a start the uk government doesn't give it licence for medical use

Yeah... the EU are squeaky clean when it comes to making the correct decisions.

(Let me just clear my lungs after following that 2010 audi I've just followed home).

Why don't u just post on weibo?

What date's the next Labout Party meeting? I'm sure you could bring this up there.

 

[Tubey]

There does seem to be this really weird thing about these vaccines having to be 100% protective, basically making you invincible from this illness etc.

Never going to be the case. As you say, if it stops serious illness, that makes COVID like any other illness, and one that can be managed by the health systems.

But suppose it's better to be safe than sorry. Do wonder if it had been a different decision had AZ and the EU not had their disagreements over recent days?

Feels political, but it's probably more to do with differing clinical interpretations. UK has seen immunogenicity in studies and thought it's enough, Germans clearly place more emphasis on proven efficacy. Which is... fine I guess, but you'd think given emergency situation that a bit more sense would prevail in terms of authorising the vaccine and it'll be given across the board.

 

[BlueToff]

Feels political, but it's probably more to do with differing clinical interpretations. UK has seen immunogenicity in studies and thought it's enough, Germans clearly place more emphasis on proven efficacy. Which is... fine I guess, but you'd think given emergency situation that a bit more sense would prevail in terms of authorising the vaccine and it'll be given across the board.

Yeah you're probably right. I've corrected my post now as really I do trust any independent regulator (I have to, really) to make the right decision in these circumstances.

Yeah I agree with you, it seems a strange decision given they aren't exactly flooded with vaccines right now and have experienced a bad second wave.

 

[summerisle]

 

[Tubey]

WEEEEEEE ARE THE CHAMPIONS MY FRIEEEEND...

 

[Billy Dean]

Feels political, but it's probably more to do with differing clinical interpretations. UK has seen immunogenicity in studies and thought it's enough, Germans clearly place more emphasis on proven efficacy. Which is... fine I guess, but you'd think given emergency situation that a bit more sense would prevail in terms of authorising the vaccine and it'll be given across the board.

I don't think this is a political thing TBH. Just a different way of doing things. Culturally speaking I mean.

 

[Tubey]

I don't think this is a political thing TBH. Just a different way of doing things. Culturally speaking I mean.

Yeah just poor timing.

 

[BlueToff]

'Positive' I'm taking from that death figure is it appears that, like hospitalisations, the curve has continued to level out. And that drop in cases is a big plus.

 

[Billy Dean]

Yeah just poor timing.

In all walks of life things here things are done without flexibility, which has its pros and cons.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Feels political, but it's probably more to do with differing clinical interpretations. UK has seen immunogenicity in studies and thought it's enough, Germans clearly place more emphasis on proven efficacy. Which is... fine I guess, but you'd think given emergency situation that a bit more sense would prevail in terms of authorising the vaccine and it'll be given across the board.

It's the culture.
I have worked for a very large German Company for 12 years.
They research and document EVERYTHING to a ridiculous degree.
They don't take risks. They are constantly thinking about the potential
liabilty for anything and everything. It's just how they are.

 

[davek]

Feels political, but it's probably more to do with differing clinical interpretations. UK has seen immunogenicity in studies and thought it's enough, Germans clearly place more emphasis on proven efficacy. Which is... fine I guess, but you'd think given emergency situation that a bit more sense would prevail in terms of authorising the vaccine and it'll be given across the board.

It's the culture.
I have worked for a very large German Company for 12 years.
They research and document EVERYTHING to a ridiculous degree.
They don't take risks. They are constantly thinking about the potential
liabilty for anything and everything. It's just how they are.

It'll be an EU decision taken collectively. No singular culture will come into it.

Let's wait and see what the bloc's regulatory authority says.

 

[Billy Dean]

Yeah just poor timing.

Ah I see what you mean now. The timing of it could have been political to influence the EMA. Maybe. But the decision itself probably wasn't I wouldn't have thought.

 

[roydo]

It is, because they are the ones before Christmas and the Germans are not having any of it. It's a choice of who to believe.

Anyoine want to beleive any organisation connected to this government? Be my guest.

Did you have a flu jab?

Pretty sure you did. That was approved by the same folk.

 

[davek]

Did you have a flu jab?

Pretty sure you did. That was approved by the same folk.

Flu jab? The jab that's been around decades and is tweaked every year with a mountain of evidence to draw on and that is proven to give over 50% protection? Yes.

It's a different matter all together with a vaccine tested on handfuls of people.